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Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez III: Expectations, the swaying power of sentiment and the 10-point must system

By Ace Freeman (13-Nov-2011)

Live on location in Las Vegas, Ace Freeman reflects on Manny Pacquiao’s closely contested victory over Juan Manuel Marquez in their eagerly awaited third fight.

Photo: Chris Farina / Top Rank

Fight night in Vegas, and not all of the violence happened inside the ring. In fact, tensions reached a boiling point in the crowded aftermath in the halls and walkways of the MGM Grand.

It was a polarizing fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez… much like the first two times they danced.

Both men claimed victory but the most aggressive vigor I saw was among the fans exiting and many of my fellow cohorts in the media room.

While I had Manny Pacquiao ahead 115-113 on my scorecard, there was no doubt that on this night the biggest victory belonged to Juan Manuel Marquez, for it was a moral one.

The proud Mexican warrior took Manny Pacquiao to the brink once again. He pushed him like no man has since the last time they clashed in 2008. While Pacquiao went on to dominate bigger and stronger men, Marquez showed once again on this night that he has a style better suited to fighting Manny Pacquiao than anyone in recent years.

But unfortunately for Marquez, a moral victory doesn’t necessarily equate to a coveted “W” in the win column.

Boxing is scored on a ten point must system. Under the system, the judges must give the winner of a round 10 points, and the loser 9 points or fewer. What we witnessed tonight were twelve individual rounds that needed to be added up when they were completed to find a winner.

In my opinion, that winner was Manny Pacquiao.

I concede that it was a very close fight… much like Pacquiao and Marquez’s first two encounters. Like those battles, I have absolutely no problem with anyone seeing tonight’s fight in Marquez’s favour and it is not my intention to convince anyone otherwise.

But a robbery, this fight was not.

Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield 1 was a robbery. George Foreman vs. Shannon Briggs was a robbery.

Calling what we witnessed tonight a robbery cheapens the term.

I did think Juan Manuel Marquez landed the better quality punches in the fight… but I found them to be few and far between. There simply were not enough of them in succession, or consistently in enough rounds consecutively.

In just about every round it was Manny Pacquiao coming forward, and doing so as the aggressor.

He threw more punches, and (unlike their first two bouts) he landed more as well.

Yes Marquez was brilliant in his counter attack. His science was sweet, but it was by no means the dominant factor in the fight.

There were also several rounds (most notably the first) that were uneventful and could have been scored in either man’s favour if you are looking at them objectively.

That makes for a fight that could have gone either way when all was said and done. Again, much like their first two tilts.

One thing that resonated loudly on this particular night in Sin City was sentiment.

Juan Manuel Marquez was a huge underdog according to the Las Vegas odds-makers.

They weren’t alone. The majority of media outlets and boxing fans had foreseen a telling and resounding Manny Pacquiao victory.

In the immediate aftermath of the fight, I saw and spoke with many (some who were fuming) who seemed to allow that sentiment to resound louder than objectivity.

The act of Marquez being much more competitive than almost everyone thought would be the case seemed to be the dominating story on this night, and it was complimented nicely by the disappointment Manny Pacquiao obviously felt and exuded at not dominating this fight like he (and many) hoped he would.

As Pacquiao has been so dominant in marquee fights in recent years, the expectations placed upon him have mounted. While it was clear on this night he failed to meet the expectations of most fans, pundits and most importantly himself… those same expectations should not be allowed to affect the way a boxing match is scored.

At the end of the day when we look at tonight’s fight as twelve individual rounds, there is only math.

While sentiment and story-lines surrounding these mega-fights often prove more intoxicating than many substances available in these Las Vegas casinos… at the end of this night we saw another competitive bout between two gallant warriors that – when looking at it subjectively – could have been scored for either fighter within the realm of reason.

Those are my thoughts. What are yours?




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  1. terminatorh Says:

    marquez clearly hit pacquiao with the more cleaner shots and counter punched him very nicely at least marquez won by 2 points



  2. toto Says:

    The only reason pacquiao got that fight is simply bcuz mayweather pacquiao its a jackpot and if officially marquez qoulve won (as he did everyone saw how he dominated almost every round) then interest would drop (as it has) more than now to see that fight happening



  3. general Says:

    DON’T HEAR ANY PAC TARDS TALKING TRASH!! MANNY IS OVERRATED. HE WON’T FIGHT KHAN, BRADLEY, OR MAYWEATHER THEY’RE SKILL LEVEL IS TO HIGH



  4. gakiis47 Says:

    @general

    Why? Is your boi Mayweather willing to fight Khan, Bradley, Cotto, Margarito, Martinez or even Pacquiao??



  5. Anonymous Says:

    Floyd fighting Khan? ha.. I bet Khan wouldn’t mind that. Its too early to be throwing his name up as an opponent. I still feel that he hasn’t proven himself yet.



  6. gakiis47 Says:

    Marquez is just the type of fighter whose style makes it difficult for Pacquiao to be in his usual self in the ring. Yes it was a close one, for the third time. And the judges had it for Pac the second time. Again the close rounds could have gone either way. But the thing is Pac finished strong while Marquez was content not to engage.



  7. jack Says:

    we won



  8. ... Says:

    I like the outcome Mayweather will gain confidence :) I hope they fight now :)

    I like Pacquiao to be the underdog coz it will make me more money :)

    I saw the fight and I scored what the 2nd judge score it :)



  9. arjun_spark Says:

    If Marquez wants to win he should get his own judges. For me theres no contorvery in this fight. Its just another close fight that could’ve gone either way. I scored the bout 115-113 Pacquiao also. We are just used to Pacquiao dominating all his foes but Marquez’s counter punching style is still a puzzle for Manny. Everyone has his own nemesis.



  10. Ceddybaby Says:

    Ace has a right to his personal opinion, but, it is only an Opinion. The three judges scores are always subjective (their perception) not based on science or math. If, it was based on math and science there would not be three different scores. So,the math you are referring to Ace is “Funny Math”. The fact is Bob (Mafia) Arum, has a long record of corruption, paying of judges..etc Look him up WikiPedia. I told many people time and time again, Las Vegas, was built by crime families. Pacquiao is a “Manufactured Champion” By Bob Arum. Most people Pacquiao fought was controlled by Bob Arum or payed off by him and his associates. Many of the Belts Pacquiao won was in fact what we call paper belts (Vacant). I had the score 8 rounds to 4 in favor of Marquez. And, Yes, it was a robbery :)



  11. Ceddybaby Says:

    Pacquiao will be completely destroyed by Mayweather…..Believe me…and Note: Everytime there was or will be a fight scheduled, Mayweather will be the “favorite” by most experts to win.



  12. Fighter Says:

    The bottom line is Pacquiao is a great fighter but on the night in question he got out boxed, it wasn’t even as close as the first two fights where he scored the knock downs and he couldn’t get himself set as Marquez was making him miss and consistantly landing counter shots. I thought boxing was about hitting and not getting hit which is what Marquez executed but I guess the judges saw it differently.



  13. Bigkat Says:

    I scored the fight a draw. Marquez acting as though he’d been robbed was foolishness, as the compubox numbers clearly showed Manny landing more shots. Additionally, Marquez fought much too conservatively to really convince the judges he was a clear winner. Overall, I was a bit disappointed in this fight . I really expected much more aggression on the part of both fighters. In the end I had it a draw. Manny was more aggressive and landed more shots. Clearly Marquez landed the best shots. But, in my humble opinion, there was no conclusive winner in this bout. Maybe a fourth fight in Mexico City?



  14. kickballpro Says:

    Pac landed 40 more punches, threw more than 140 more punches, landed 17 more power shots. Pac landed 21 more jabs. An occasional clean shot does not win a fight like this. Winning rounds does. Marquez was outpunched in almost every round, Pac Man was the Aggressor in EVERY round. I can’t imagine anyone scoring 7 rounds for the passive counter puncher whose face was battered at the end of the night. The best Marquez could argue for is a draw.



  15. hanzoh74 Says:

    the problem with ppl here is theyre used to Pac dominating fighters and knocking them down, it clouded their judgment once Pac engages in an “either-way fight” like these…..these ppl will find a way that a conspiracy is going around the boxing circle etc and other reasons…its not a robbery and i scored it 115-113 in favor with Pac…Marquez should not have contented to run away in the final 2 rounds which have contributed to his demise



  16. Anonymous Says:

    Stop the emotional comments and analyze the fight and its result based on facts. Everyone was expecting a blowout and a beatdown Hatton-style so anything short of that will be a big disappointment. This was what happened. Pacquiao was a victim of his own success that’s why everyone, including Manny himself, was disappointed. This did not mean that Marquez won because he did not.

    Anyone who’s saying Marquez CLEARLY won the fight or that he was ROBBED of a victory is either delusional or being emotional that Manny did not beat him down badly.

    Neither man was able to hurt the other significantly. Most rounds were very tight and could have gone either way SO those who are saying it’s a clear win for Marquez OR the Marquez dominated the fight are just PLAIN STUPID. Marquez dominated the fight? Come on people, he did not even hurt Manny.

    Facts are facts. Here are the proofs that Manny won the fight.

    1. NUMBER OF PUNCHES LANDED: Manny threw more and landed more punches. Since no one landed a big shot enough to hurt the other, this became an amateur-kind-of-fight where it needed to be scored on the number of punches connected.

    2. AGGRESSION: Manny was the aggressor all night. Look at the fight again. Manny was chasing Marquez all night as Marquez was backpedalling throughout the fight. If Manny did not attack there would have been no fight.

    3. RING GENERALSHIP: Manny controlled the tempo. The fight was dictated by Manny. He was moving and using his footwork while Marquez was waiting. Those who are saying that marquez gave Manny a boxing clinic are just plain dumb. What clinic? Manny dictated the fight. He made it exciting when he wanted to. He pressed the actions all night. He countered Marquez when he needed to. Marquez was so hesitant to even come forward.

    4. CHAMPION vs CHALLENGER: The challenger needs to take the belt. It should not be handed out. Marquez did not do enough to take the belt. If this alone was the basis of scoring a tight round, it should have been 10:2 rounds in favor of Pacquiao.

    5. CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS: Marquez did not do jack in the later rounds. Both did not land anything of significant in the championship rounds but at least Manny was pressing the action and was trying to have something happen. What did Marquez do ? – NOTHING. If Manny did what Marquez did in those rounds, they would have done dancing with the stars.

    6. THE FACE: Look at their faces and tell me that “Marquez dominated the fight”. Bullcrap! Marquez had far worse damage in his face.

    7. HBO CREW and the CROWD: They were on the ball. Ledderman had it for Manny by 4 points. This is not to say they were 100% accurate. This simply means that Marquez did not dominate the fight and was not robbed of a victory. The crowd who were booing were mostly Mexicans. What do you expect? This was the closest a Mexican came close to winning in a long time against Manny.

    I have more to say but again the reason why we were disappointed was because we are used to seeing Manny dominate big guys. Manny was a victim of his own success – plain and simple- and all of us fell into that trap.



  17. Marvin G Says:

    I’ll try to refute the obvious bashing of Pacfans. if your talking about punch stats, then Marquez should have won the second fight look at these punch stats http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-marquez-i-ii-reviewed–45965.

    Next , now there are people saying that an unspoken rule of boxing is the challenger has to be more aggressive or impressive when fighting the champion. I can dispute that. If it were true, then NO defensive fighter could have won a title against offensive champions, Besides, wasn’t Pacquiao the challenger in their second match with Marquez, sure Pacquiao knocked him down, but surely Marquez was no less aggressive or impressive as Pacquiao was in that fight.

    So counter punching does not convince you of a win, Tell that to Willie Pep, Wilfredo Benitez, Pernell Whitaker, and (dare i type it) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Now, Quinito henson, already stated that if the fight goes the distance whether Pacquiao was in trouble or not, Pacquiao was going to get the decision because he has the ECONOMIC POWER, so being marketability automatically gives you a free pass? That’s not right.

    I know you will refute with the first fight that Pac should have won the 1st fight, but think about it, you knock down a person 3TIMES, it’s like rocky 4,”Marquez is not human, He is like a piece of IRON” Give props to Marquez on that one.

    Amir Khan, stablemate of Pacquiao, and Sky Sports had Marquez WINNING the bout 115 – 113. I watched the live fight via sky sports and compared it with the replay with the HBO guys, and Sky Sports Analysts were SPOT ON with the calls of every punch. Pacquiao was throwing rabbit punches and Marquez was Landing the punches with more impact.. They even commented that the decision was fixed. The HBO guys keep on saying Pacquiao has to do this, Pacquiao is doing that, clearly shutting out Marquez.

    Pacquiao admitted in the 4th round he had leg cramps, the 2nd consecutive time. Coincidence? Or are all the wars from legitimate middleweight strength punches finally catching up to him. It goes to show Pacquiao LACKS fundamental boxing skills.

    If there is a fight that shows Pacquiao’s decline it’s this one. I mean it, watch 24/ 7 and you will know that Pacquiao’s training camp was very good, better than Cotto, or Margarito.

    If you want to decide a fight’s win by Face, then Clottey should have won against Pacquiao.

    After the decision, There weren’t a lot Filipino fans cheering for Pacman’s victory



  18. xtian Says:

    well said anonymous!!! manny won plain and simple! the judge who scored it even just made a stir out of the fight! maybe he just gave sympathy to marquez!!!



  19. Marvin G Says:

    Waiting for your opponent to make a mistake is part of boxing, If aggression was the main point of winning, then NO DEFENSIVE FIGHTER COULD EVER WIN.



  20. Anonymous Says:

    If ur a Mexican who loves underdog & hates Manny, you will say Marquez won the fight. If ur a Filipino who used to see Pacman knocking out his opponent, you’ll say he lost. For me its a tough fight but i give credit to MARQUEZ. After watching the replay I think that it could have been a draw or a decision favoring MARQUEZ. Cheers****



  21. Marvin G Says:

    Have you seen the fight of Steve cunningham vs Tomasz Adamek, look up for that fight and you will realize that COMPUBOX is a very MINISCULE TOOL for judging who wins.
    As for ring generalship, Pacquiao’s rhythm was outclassed by Marquez, Pacquiao just flurried in the last seconds to sway the judges, But Marquez was countering those flurries.



  22. RonnelBoston Says:

    Stop the emotional comments and analyze the fight and its result based on facts. Everyone was expecting a blowout and a beatdown Hatton-style so anything short of that will be a big disappointment. This was what happened. Pacquiao was a victim of his own success that’s why everyone, including Manny himself, was disappointed. This did not mean that Marquez won because he did not.

    Anyone who’s saying Marquez CLEARLY won the fight or that he was ROBBED of a victory is either delusional or being emotional that Manny did not beat him down badly.

    Neither man was able to hurt the other significantly. Most rounds were very tight and could have gone either way SO those who are saying it’s a clear win for Marquez OR the Marquez dominated the fight are just PLAIN STUPID. Marquez dominated the fight? Come on people, he did not even hurt Manny.

    Facts are facts. Here are the proofs that Manny won the fight.

    1. NUMBER OF PUNCHES LANDED: Manny threw more and landed more punches. Since no one landed a big shot enough to hurt the other, this became an amateur-kind-of-fight where it needed to be scored on the number of punches connected.

    2. AGGRESSION: Manny was the aggressor all night. Look at the fight again. Manny was chasing Marquez all night as Marquez was backpedalling throughout the fight. If Manny did not attack there would have been no fight.

    3. RING GENERALSHIP: Manny controlled the tempo. The fight was dictated by Manny. He was moving and using his footwork while Marquez was waiting. Those who are saying that marquez gave Manny a boxing clinic are just plain dumb. What clinic? Manny dictated the fight. He made it exciting when he wanted to. He pressed the actions all night. He countered Marquez when he needed to. Marquez was so hesitant to even come forward.

    4. CHAMPION vs CHALLENGER: The challenger needs to take the belt. It should not be handed out. Marquez did not do enough to take the belt. If this alone was the basis of scoring a tight round, it should have been 10:2 rounds in favor of Pacquiao.

    5. CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS: Marquez did not do jack in the later rounds. Both did not land anything of significant in the championship rounds but at least Manny was pressing the action and was trying to have something happen. What did Marquez do ? – NOTHING. If Manny did what Marquez did in those rounds, they would have done dancing with the stars.

    6. THE FACE: Look at their faces and tell me that “Marquez dominated the fight”. Bullcrap! Marquez had far worse damage in his face.

    7. HBO CREW and the CROWD: They were on the ball. Ledderman had it for Manny by 4 points. This is not to say they were 100% accurate. This simply means that Marquez did not dominate the fight and was not robbed of a victory. The crowd who were booing were mostly Mexicans. What do you expect? This was the closest a Mexican came close to winning in a long time against Manny.

    I have more to say but again the reason why we were disappointed was because we are used to seeing Manny dominate big guys. Manny was a victim of his own success – plain and simple- and all of us fell into that trap



  23. Cezpel Says:

    Here we go again! Pacquiao threw and landed more punches, had to carry the fight to Marquez all night, buckled Marquez’ legs a few times and made Marquez’ face look grotesque at the end. He just didn’ t get the KO! And who has against Marquez? Actually this should be it between the two. There was never any doubt about the first two fights anyway as in many fights that don’t end in ko’s, it’s a matter of opinion! Marquez should now fight Morales to settle who the best Mexican of their era is!



  24. Marvin G Says:

    RonnelBoston

    I’ll try to refute the obvious bashing of Pacfans. if your talking about punch stats, then Marquez should have won the second fight look at these punch stats http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-marquez-i-ii-reviewed–45965.

    Next , now there are people saying that an unspoken rule of boxing is the challenger has to be more aggressive or impressive when fighting the champion. I can dispute that. If it were true, then NO defensive fighter could have won a title against offensive champions, Besides, wasn’t Pacquiao the challenger in their second match with Marquez, sure Pacquiao knocked him down, but surely Marquez was no less aggressive or impressive as Pacquiao was in that fight.

    So counter punching does not convince you of a win, Tell that to Willie Pep, Wilfredo Benitez, Pernell Whitaker, and (dare i type it) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Now, Quinito henson, already stated that if the fight goes the distance whether Pacquiao was in trouble or not, Pacquiao was going to get the decision because he has the ECONOMIC POWER, so being marketability automatically gives you a free pass? That’s not right.

    I know you will refute with the first fight that Pac should have won the 1st fight, but think about it, you knock down a person 3TIMES, it’s like rocky 4,”Marquez is not human, He is like a piece of IRON” Give props to Marquez on that one.

    Amir Khan, stablemate of Pacquiao, and Sky Sports had Marquez WINNING the bout 115 – 113. I watched the live fight via sky sports and compared it with the replay with the HBO guys, and Sky Sports Analysts were SPOT ON with the calls of every punch. Pacquiao was throwing rabbit punches and Marquez was Landing the punches with more impact.. They even commented that the decision was fixed. The HBO guys keep on saying Pacquiao has to do this, Pacquiao is doing that, clearly shutting out Marquez.

    Pacquiao admitted in the 4th round he had leg cramps, the 2nd consecutive time. Coincidence? Or are all the wars from legitimate middleweight strength punches finally catching up to him. It goes to show Pacquiao LACKS fundamental boxing skills.

    If there is a fight that shows Pacquiao’s decline it’s this one. I mean it, watch 24/ 7 and you will know that Pacquiao’s training camp was very good, better than Cotto, or Margarito.

    If you want to decide a fight’s win by Face, then Clottey should have won against Pacquiao.

    After the decision, There weren’t a lot Filipino fans cheering for Pacman’s



  25. joel Says:

    DID MARQUEZ AT LEAST PUT DOWN PACMAN IN THE CANVASS, EVEN JUST ONCE? Marquez will never win only close fight accept it folks!



  26. Marvin G Says:

    Cezpel
    COMPUBOX IS NOT A CERTIFIED WAY OF WINNING FIGHTS, LOOK UP CUNNINGHAM VS ADAMEK
    Pacquiao carrying Marquez? Marquez was setting up the offense and counters, Marquez knows when to pursue Pacquiao, and when to retreat, that’s boxing, It’s not about who carries who, Marquez did the right thing by not outmuscling Pacquiao. Those who say Marquez punches weren’t enough watch the fight on the Sky Sports channel and listen to the analysis.



  27. Marvin G Says:

    joel

    Is hitting the canvass a way to win fights? No, learn your boxing before spewing nonsense like that.



  28. Marvin G Says:

    I accept that it Pacquiao won THE DECISION, Marquez won THE FIGHT



  29. John Puzon Says:

    @CeddyBaby. You too are entitled to your opinion and your scoresheet is just “Funny Math”.

    That son of a convicted drug dealer and who is also a woman beater is NEVER going to beat Manny Pacquiao because he doesn’t have the balls to go into the ring with the Pacman. As a matter of fact, no black fighter today can beat the Pacman because they all don’t have the balls to do so. Case in point: A bigger and stronger Clottey hid in his shell from start to finish; A bigger and stronger Shane Mosely ran away and refuse to engage for 12 rounds. And a bigger and stronger mayweather won’t get into the ring with the Pacman. It used to be that African-American boxers were fighters. Sadly, it’s no longer the case today.



  30. Marvin G Says:

    I retract my previous statement on joel

    Is hitting the canvass the ONLY way to win? No



  31. hanzoh74 Says:

    Marvin

    Marquez already knew what happened in the prevoius 2 fights with Pac then why is he contented in giving away the last 2 crucial rounds…the bottomline is Marquez didnt do enuf to dethrone his nemesis in a “either-way fight”……Ledermann and Steward had Manny winning in their cards so it means its not a robbery



  32. Anonymous Says:

    Manny pacman won so stop crying bitches :))



  33. BOGS Says:

    boxing is round by round scoring… 3 very clear rounds for marquez, 2 rounds for pacquiao.. 7 rounds could have gone either way, no complains if the judges gave majority of the close rounds to pacquiao.. putang ina mo RONNIE NATHANIELS AND ATTY ED TOLENTINO, MGA PINOY PA MAN DIN KAYO



  34. special hit Says:

    The bait is on the hook…where is Mayweather, we’re waiting for the bite? Well like always he knows if he bites the hook he will get caught!

    He’s from Las Vegas he should’ve been campaigning a fight with Manny, but he’s at home in his closet. Mayweather come out come out where ever you are? Everyone is saying your the man that could beat Manny and you have a better counter punching style that Marquez.



  35. Anonymous Says:

    For mayweather fans. UNDEFEATED MEANS NOTHING IF YOU’RE A BITCH WHO ALWAYS COMPLAIN AND GIVES EXCUSES! :)



  36. BOGS Says:

    Pacqiao 116 – 112 ( fair enough if the judge gave 2 of the close rounds to marquez and 5 to pacman ) very simple

    Oacman 115 – 113 (still fair the judge gave marquez a banefit for the close rounds)

    114-114 is still fair if the judge wanna give marquez half of the close rounds..

    And if ever the judges gave marquez all of the close rounds, no complains.. that’s the way they saw it..

    what fucks are those filipinos who pretends to be boxing expert like nathaniels and tolentino,



  37. mugshot Says:

    This is one of the best trilogy period.
    Unsettling as it my seem argument-counter argument.
    This is what boxing is all about toe-to-toe.
    Those belts are shit anyway!!!
    Marquez is to Pacquiao as Frazier is to Ali.
    Both winners no matter how you look at it.
    So let it go, both will be LEGEND in the sport.

    NUFF SAID!!!

    to the author – you hit the spot



  38. Marvin G Says:

    Manny pacquiao won the Decision Marquez won the FIGHT

    those so called close rounds were only labeled as close because of the last second flurries which were not significant compared to the counter punching.
    Lederman and Manny Steward were shutting out Marquez, if you watched it on Sky Sports, it had a better calling of the bout.

    Don’t diss on Nathanielsz and Tolentino, they were just doing their job, and if you noticed, THIS IS THE FIRST FIGHT THEY THOUGHT PACQUIAO LOST, even the Pac – JMM 2 bout they give it to Pac



  39. Marvin G Says:

    Amir khan and the sky sports analysts HAD MARQUEZ WINNING 115 – 113



  40. common.. Says:

    marvin: yeah! marquez won the punch stat on the 2 previous fight..but hey…on the rounds that JMM is winning or ahead of the punch stat..pacman knocks him dowm..so automatic 10-8…on this fight..no knockdowns..but pacman is up on the stat..



  41. Marvin G Says:

    common
    Yeah pac landed More, but were those really significant, Replay the fight on Sky Sports or hear the punches connecting and you will hear Marquez’s punch sounding louder than Pac’s Compubox counts punches connected but not the impact of those punches.



  42. common.. Says:

    im a filipino..and purely a pacfan..but im a boxing purest…at first i though JMM really won the fight..atleast 4 rds..because i was drunk scoring the 3-9 rds which i gave jmm more crdeit..but watching the replay..JMM did not dominate pacman on either of those rds. clearly (on my opinion) but neither do pac..but since pac is the champ and more importantly the agressor..those close rds. belongs to pac..just my 2 cents…!!



  43. Gemini2run2 Says:

    Just because Manny did not knock down Marquez, then people would think that Manny’s win is not convincing enough. How can you fight or hit someone who’s back pedalling all the time? Marquez only relied on his counter punches. To me, that sucks. Mayweather wlll do the same. Hit and run.



  44. Penduko Says:

    Mag Reklamo Kayo sa Lolo Nyong Panot !!! :)



  45. Marvin G Says:

    An aggressor does not equate a winner, then Whitaker should have lost to Chavez, Benitez should have lost to Duran. What I mean is styles make fights and Marquez’s style outclassed Pacquiao’s



  46. common.. Says:

    i get you marvin…but hiting pacman with 6 telling blows in a round..then pac hit you twice the amount although not that sensational(as what we are expecting) gives the pacman the edge on that rd…



  47. Al Says:

    Well written article. Congrats on your objective observation of the fight. JMM should stop being a sore loser!



  48. Marvin G Says:

    Penduko Says:

    Mag Reklamo Kayo sa Lolo Nyong Panot !!! :)

    I vote for NO



  49. Marvin G Says:

    Amount is nothing if those were rabbit punches as the sky sports analyst said. Even Amir Khan was stunned by Pacquiao’s lackluster performance and said Marquez outclassed him



  50. common.. Says:

    yes..styles makes fight….im not saying agressor always win the fights..but we are talking about punch stat and agression on this (pacman vs jmm 3) fight not then duran..the hearns, the chavez fight…



  51. common.. Says:

    you call the punch that hit marquez rabbit punch?..then why the hell JMM’s face is corrupted..rabbit punch from pacman? then what do you call the punch sent by bhop, calzghe on their close wins?



  52. Marvin G Says:

    Compubox is not a significant basis, then Mayweather would have lost to Astillo in their first fight look that up.

    Agression can turn against you by a smart fighter and Marquez fought smart that night.



  53. Marvin G Says:

    I meant Castillo



  54. common.. Says:

    no one from the commentators (albeit they are noit judge) called the punch that hit marquez as a rabbit punch..hat’s off to JMM..doing the unexpected…but not clear enough to win..i say clear enough!!…



  55. Marvin G Says:

    Marquez has a history of getting bruised easily, Pac’s face was busted by Clottey while Clottey’s was OK.



  56. Marvin G Says:

    Pacquiao got outclassed, FREDDIE ROACH HIMSELF TOLD PACQUIAO THEY WERE FALLING BEHIND, AMIR KHAN SCORED MARQUEZ THE WIN AND HE IS A STABLEMATE OF PACQUIAO.



  57. common.. Says:

    again..we are discussing the pacman vs jmm 3 fight..not the mayweather, chavez, hearns, duran, etc fight..becoz those fight on that moment when you claim that being smart fighter wins have different elements than what pacman and jmm had on this fight and on each rd..we use the stats, agression, ring genrealship, counter punchings, etc.. of this fight of each rd. not the durans, hearns, mayweather.etc.,.this fight only..



  58. .357 Says:

    . . . the thing is Paquiao didn’t do his homework . . . he has a great run over bigger and stronger guys and thought he could easily run over marquez . . . while marquez did his homework scouting, creating counter moves and bulking up . . . Pacquiao just assumed its just the same Marquez and they don’t have plan b . . . while beristain is giving marquez instructions as the fight progresses, the same can not be said of roach . . . there were a lot of openings marquez made but Paquiao was not able to react to it . . . he just relied on his “i defeated margarito, shane and cotto” skill set but marquez is faster and more technical . . . who won? it doesn’t matter coz it’s a toss up . . .



  59. aldrin Says:

    @ marvin

    Castillo should have won against mayweather a lot of sportsfan knows that. But i guess thats the way it is PAcquiao WOn whats done is done,.. and for those who think the judges are CRAZY for giving it to pac file your opinion to the WBO commission then,.. Im not a pac fan but neither a marquez fan and a big No NO to floyd!



  60. Anonymous Says:

    if pacquiao was not agressive even if he is leading on puch stats. the judges would give it to marquez. Agressiveness and leading in punch stats are the reasons why judges gave it to manny. If a knockdown happened during their fight then the boxer who was down would be the one who lost.



  61. Marvin G Says:

    Pacquiao got outclassed, FREDDIE ROACH HIMSELF TOLD PACQUIAO THEY WERE FALLING BEHIND, AMIR KHAN SCORED MARQUEZ THE WIN AND HE IS A STABLEMATE OF PACQUIAO.
    Also, why can;t I compare this fight to chavez, duran or the other greats? It is biased on your part because I am just citing examples.



  62. Marvin G Says:

    No, Agression and punch stats don’t necessarily determine who wins,It is the significant punches landed and heard from every fighter. Pacquiao did a “Sugar Ray” by flurrying in the last second to sway the judges, but as you are blinded by Pac’s flurries Marquez was countering – them and landed the more solid blows.



  63. common.. Says:

    pacman vs clottey…yeah..hit me..100 times..and ill hit you 5 times (solid) did i know you out? knock you down? so who wins? the boxer who threw 5 times and bruised the face..or..the boxer whow hit the opponent 100 punch..(clearly but not damaging enough to create bruise)? and remember pacman got hit most of those punch..becos pacman intended to get hit..remember several times..pacman just stood againt the ropes and allowed clottey., margo, cotto to hit him? it is stupid for pac to do that but it it is beneficial since he didnt get knockdown..but in return sent 6 combo punch to his opponent againt to only 1 or 2 punch..



  64. common.. Says:

    *knock you out..



  65. .357 Says:

    and . . . i do believe the recent marquez will give floyd a run for his money . . . he has more in his arsenal – body shots, overhand right and uppercut combo and lateral movements . . . and quicker and much stronger too . . .



  66. Marvin G Says:

    Aldrin
    it was not the WBO, but NSAC who assigned the ref, and judges, and since Pacquiao was a 10 to 1 favorite ,even if Pacquiao was troubled, he would get the decision to save MGM money, A MArquez win would be financially problematic.



  67. Anon Says:

    If Marquez KO Manny and still losses the fight. I will agree Marquez is ROBBED!! LOL!



  68. tony t Says:

    ACE your full of shit, and “YOU” cheapen your own site and boxing with your BULLSHIT theory of last nights fight! JMM WON, HE KICKED MANNYS ASS PERIOD! there is no way PAC landed more punches last night, and just because the punch stat says so, Im supposed to believe it? I believe what I saw and that was JJM giving PACMAN a clinic in every single area of boxing. Im out of this site and ill never log on to it again, this isn’t the first time you’ve defended the side that won by robbery!



  69. common.. Says:

    please…again..refrain to compare each rd. oc pacman vs jmm 3 fight.against the overall performance and winnier of the sugar ray, mosley, hoya, hearns, etc….againt dont comapre the rds, to the outcomes of the other great fights..



  70. Marvin G Says:

    Common

    Marquez played a careful fight, had he focused more on brawling, he would be outgunned by Pacquiao, Marquez Proved Roach, Khan , many Filipino Sports Analyst,A lot of writers in bleacher report had Marquez winning, writer from the Examiner had Marquez winning, The Associated Press scored it a draw, HE WON THE FIGHT, Pacquiao got the DECISION. Deal with it.



  71. common.. Says:

    hats off to jmm..because he did the unexpected..and admittedly i though he won the fight..but after reviewing it again..jmm lands 3 -4 telling blows.(by the most) and pac landed 6 – 10 blows (atleast) however not as dramatic….so who wins..?



  72. common.. Says:

    marvin…you are right…the etc..had it draw..or win for marquez..but the judges gave pacman the decision..y? because they have the best postion(view)..and criteria of who wins the rds..not me..not you..not the press..but the judge.and dont give me the crap that the judges are corrupt…why? because IT IS A CLOSE FIGHT!!!and CLOSE FIGHTS FAVOR THE CHAMP!!….because the challenge is not convincing enough to win it..!!



  73. francis Says:

    Ace Freeman, I agree with your score not because I am a Pacfan but because it was the score. Some of us can score fights and some of us are emotional and cannot score fights objectively. I believe the Draw score was absurd. I also believe who say this is a robbery dont know their boxing.
    mr RonnelBoston or anonymous got it right and all the explanations are my same sentiments. I mean look at Pacquiao’s face and Marquez? are you saying its a robbery? you could not even tell if Pac had just gone 12 rounds besides the Cut that was caused by a headbutt.
    I believe we can get nothing out of this arguments because people will still think Marquez won. He has to win convincingly my friends. He has to beat the SH!t out of the champion which he did not.He may have put in a couple of nice punches but thats all they were.. only a couple.. they were too few and there was never a point wherein PAcquiao was knocked down or even clearly dazed. Just watch the replay and turn on the MUTE.



  74. common.. Says:

    i have no issue JMM winning it..because it is a close fight..and damn sure i will argue..but i will stand by the case…but will respect the effort of Manny and JMM..at the end of the day.,.the books of boxing, history, says pacman won by narrow majority decision albeit not impressive..



  75. sherwin007008 Says:

    I agree with the Math perspective. What happened was, on the rounds JMM won… JMM won convincingly. On the rounds Pacman won… they were all too close. However, Pacman won more rounds and JMM was more convincing. Convincing doesn’t add points while winning each rounds, no matter how close, does.



  76. Marvin G Says:

    The associated press have reporters on ringside, the Sky Sports analysts based their findings on the impacts of each shot, the Filipino crowd were not jumping for joy when they heard about Pacquiao’s decision win. The Judges are appointed by the NSAC which has influence over the betting odds, which Pacquiao was almost 10 to 1 and for pacquiao to lose would mean disaster to their money. Plus if close fights favor the champ, THEN MARQUEZ SHOULD HAVE WON PART 2, he was the champion and Pacquiao was the challenger.



  77. common.. Says:

    Francis….i agree..well said…it is what it is…



  78. Emerson Says:

    Very well said. You wrote the words out from my mouth. This is what i have been telling those who insisted marquez won the fight



  79. Marvin G Says:

    Common
    Aree you Filipino? If so you must have heard a statement Quinito Henson stated during the decision, that IT WAS NECESSARY FOR PACQUIAO TO WIN BECAUSE HE HAS ECONOMIC POWERS, EVEN IF HE HAD TROUBLE AGAINST MARQUEZ. Imagine, a sports Analyst saying that the fight is already predetermined if it goes the distance?



  80. common.. Says:

    marvin…again..the pacman and jmm 2 fight are close..and maybe..just maybe…marquez got the close rds..but again…there is a knock down..at that is a poiny swing…and if there are 4 close rds that jmm got..Pacman negated the of them becuase of the knockdown..other than the 2 ramaining close rds..how many else did marquez win?…



  81. Marvin G Says:

    The associated press have reporters on ringside, the Sky Sports analysts based their findings on the impacts of each shot, the Filipino crowd were not jumping for joy when they heard about Pacquiao’s decision win. The Judges are appointed by the NSAC which has influence over the betting odds, which Pacquiao was almost 10 to 1 and for pacquiao to lose would mean disaster to their money. Plus if close fights favor the champ, THEN MARQUEZ SHOULD HAVE WON PART 2, he was the champion and Pacquiao was the challenger.



  82. common.. Says:

    * a 2 points swing…!



  83. Marvin G Says:

    Common
    again i’m saying Pac only knock down JMM once and you’re saying it like JMM was outclassed. Punch stats report JMM outlanded Pac 4 to 1, much more gap than Pac’s in this fight.



  84. Stro Says:

    I said this before the fight and I’ll say it after there’s no way you can watch him fight and think he can mess with Floyd at all. Period. Not even close manny may be the people’s champ but when they meet and mayweather dominates it’s gonna be a riot



  85. Marvin G Says:

    Common
    Are you Filipino? If so you must have heard a statement Quinito Henson stated during the decision, that IT WAS NECESSARY FOR PACQUIAO TO WIN BECAUSE HE HAS ECONOMIC POWERS, EVEN IF HE HAD TROUBLE AGAINST MARQUEZ. Imagine, a sports Analyst saying that the fight is already predetermined if it goes the distance?



  86. common.. Says:

    and once more..the associated press, me, the mexican, filipinos… are not the judges..and does not have the vantage point of the ringside..just respect the outcome and convinced your boy JMM to accept it…after all..it is still a close fight..and JMM did not do enough to convingcingly win…atleast on the eyes of the judges…



  87. Marvin G Says:

    That’s why I say that Pacquiao won the DECISION and Marquez won the FIGHT



  88. Aztec boy Says:

    HEY..PAC Wins…Go home cry babies…
    Not enough effort by Marquez to defeat Pacman….



  89. arya Says:

    the stats were opposite from their 2nd fight. marquez then were hitting more but pacquiao with the telling blows- difference was the 3rd ko. now, marquez asks ‘what do i still have to do?’- knock him out!!



  90. Marvin G Says:

    I would rather believe the crowd on this one, last time they fought, Mexican fans did not get this frustrated with Pacquiao’s win.



  91. Marvin G Says:

    Aztec boy
    Like I said Pacquiao won the DECISION, Marquez won the FIGHT.



  92. common.. Says:

    i am a filipino..and again i will mention to you..that i thought JMM won..initially..but upon reviewing/r eplay i saw some rds that i gave to JMM which is supposed to be pac..and quinito henson? yeah..boxing analyst..? yeah..are the boxing analyst always right? (mostly they ride the tides)..are they 100 percent correct?..are the judges 100 percent correct?…HELL NO>>!!!!!but all im saying is…the verdict is OUT OFFICIALLY…and we have to respect it…..because..they, the press..quinito..me or you…are not the OFFICIAL JUDGE….Marquez.,.suprised me..and i am impress…but the result is not the way you claim it..



  93. Marvin G Says:

    arya
    just because Marquez was knocked down once, he wasn’t outclassed, landing a 4 to 1 ratio is a great volume punching from Marquez at that time, compared to the slightly 2 to 1 ratio that Pacquiao won.



  94. Anon Says:

    The only way marquez can beat pacquiao is via knock-out. Sadly pacquiao is tough as he is.. They are both great fighters.



  95. Marvin G Says:

    Common
    Again Pacquiao won the Decision, JMM won the Fight

    WHAT IS THE DEFINING SCENARIO FOR THIS?
    THE LOOK ON PACQUIAO AND HIS CORNER AFTER THE FIGHT AND BEFORE THE VERDICT.



  96. common.. Says:

    arya…you got that right..no knock down..to swing or even up the close rounds in favor of the challenger..and that made the difference between pacman-jmm 2 and pacman-jmm 3…FAO MARVIN…



  97. jbravo Says:

    marquez had cleaner shots but pacquiao had more shots most of the rounds. it was a close fight I watched the replay and I thought marquez won at first but the judges were right..



  98. common.. Says:

    marvin…no one will tell you or agree with you except the blinds that jmm got 8 of the 12 rds in pacman-jmm 2 fight..so dont kid urself…



  99. Marvin G Says:

    I don’t kid myself you can look at it yourself. he look on the fighters faces tell the real story



  100. common.. Says:

    marvin…the judges does not score the rds looking on the reactions of each corner…



  101. The Golden SouthPaw Says:

    It was another close fight…. each round was very close and you could make a case each round as to who won the round…in the end; Marquez did not “take the title” away from Pacquiao. it is up to the “Challenger” to take the title away from the ‘Champion. Marquez fought a smart fight and you could make a case; he won more rounds than Pacquaio. i dont look at the punch stats becuz … they dont count! boxing is subjective and again each round was very close. i think in generaly, the media, fans and experts expected pacman to win big and he didnt.. that was the disappointment. they (pacman camp) said they would KO him in 6. they never came close. the fact is, the fight lacked the drama needed to be classified as a great fight. The Golden SouthPaw-RS



  102. common.. Says:

    are you so sincere with out doubt..whole heartdly jmm won 8 rds of the 12 in pacman-jmm 2…? common..i have alot of respect of your boxing knwleged..you know better…



  103. Marvin G Says:

    Common
    you are a filipino and you should realize that our media is sugar coating the poor fight that Pacquiao showed and the brilliant fight implied by Marquez. Listen to Nathanielsz and Tolentino’s comments on why Pacquiao “LOST”

    Sure there are officials, but they work for the NSAC, which has influence over the bettings of MGM.



  104. emil Says:

    i see it on a different way,people in ntaure get carried away by others reaction, marquez’s fans are more supportive (mots mexicans) rather than pacquiao when ever marquez connects with good shots mexicans cheers on the other side pacquiao fans cheers if pacuiao engage more often,they are not impress if pacqiao connects with only a single shot,they get use to see pacquiao throw combination,pacquiao being wise knowing his opponet is a good counter puncher picks his punches. its just that boxing fans expecting pacquiao to dominate the whole fight.in my opinion pacquiao win



  105. BOGS Says:

    Marvin G.. you can watch spinks vs taylor, for your etter understanding of the game…



  106. common.. Says:

    marvin…you said it yourself..the fighters themselves sometimes doubt the otucome..they feel they lost it..but that is why we have judges..to let you know that there are key aspects on your performance that win you the fight..not just your punching power, ring genralship, amount of punches thrown…agressiveness,..etc..its a combination of all criteria mentioned and other whom the judges justifies as relevant into winning the fights..



  107. common.. Says:

    marvin..if thats your argument..because im a filipino..then all these makes no sense..even the purest boxing idea you have about the topic makes no sense..so please dont put urself down by saying those lines..it is a close fight..unexpected helluva performance from JMM..(i trully respect it) and admire it…but all im saying is..we have the verdict by the officials,pacman won in unexpected way.. it will be written on the books, it is what it is..hail to both fighters….



  108. bbabbbbbbaaaaar time Says:

    if you want to be a champion be aggressive.marquez was the challenger..and did not do enough to be a champion..



  109. jbravo Says:

    I think there’s no reason to let them fight again. they may fight 10 times the outcome would be the same. It’s the styles and both are though.. marquez will connect cleaner punches but pacquiao will connect more. I think marquez was not robbed he just did not lost convincingly.



  110. unfairjustice Says:

    Fourth Fight May 2012.

    Marquez brings his own judges.

    Marques wins by unanimous decision!!!

    A disgrace to the sport!



  111. Marvin G Says:

    Yes it was a close fight, But did Pacqiuao really won that fight? Written in the books, sure, but as I see fit, Marquez outclassed him. A lot Of sports Analyst already admit it, that’s enought for me, Now you believe Castillo should have won the first Floyd fight, But as was written, it was another W for Floyd, Same goes here Pac got the W But it was Marquez that won the FIGHT.



  112. JBOYD Says:

    Styles make fights. Marquez style is tough for Manny. First of all, he is a tough proud mexican warrior. He has real hard head and chin. Lastly, he just knows out to time Manny. I still think if Mayweather were to fight Manny, I would favor Manny. Floyd is not willing to get take punches from Manny to counter him. Manny will be the aggressor, and Floyd will try and hit him with his real weapon in his arsenal, the right hand lead. You have to, I repeat, You have to beat Manny with counterpunching combinations. This is what JuanMa does well. Manny Pacquiao will hit you. That is why wants no part of him. Once he starts to lay on those ropes against Manny, it is good night Irene. Styles make fights. Just because a tough mexican counterpuncher can do it, doesn’t mean flashy one punch at a time boxer can do it. Do the math. Floyd will get knocked or brutally beaten just like the rest of Pacman’s recent victims.



  113. nsh Says:

    Im just a boxing fan… aggressor usually wins the title fights… remember it’s a title fight and marquez was the challenger. He was never the aggressor, yes he did land clean shots but that was it, just a few pac was more active and land more shots than marquez… watch it again and put urself in a neutral side for you to see that pacquiao really did take this one, this win is more convincing than their second fight…



  114. JBOYD Says:

    Styles make fights. Marquez style is tough for Manny. First of all, he is a tough proud mexican warrior. He has a real hard head and chin. Lastly, he just knows how to time Manny. I still think if Mayweather were to fight Manny, I would favor Manny. Floyd is not willing to get take punches from Manny to counter him. Manny will be the aggressor, and Floyd will try and hit him with his only real weapon in his arsenal, the right hand lead. You have to, I repeat, You have to beat Manny with counterpunching combinations. This is what JuanMa does well. Manny Pacquiao will hit you, he is too fast. That is why “Money” wants no part of him. Once he starts to lay on those ropes against Manny, it is good night Irene. Styles make fights. Just because a tough mexican counterpuncher can do it, doesn’t mean a flashy one punch at a time boxer can do it. Do the math. Floyd will get knocked out or brutally beaten just like the rest of Pacman’s recent victims.



  115. Dave Says:

    Big Pacfan here. I agree with Ace, I was hugely disappointed that Pacquiao failed to KO Marquez but after looking at the fight again I thought there was no way JMM won that fight. I thought Pacman was the more active fighter and he carried the fight, I thought he was the fresher/stronger fighter towards the end of the fight, I thought he landed the more and stronger blows. He clearly wanted to exchage more often but Marquez was always backing up.



  116. Nicole Says:

    A lot are saying Marquez did not do enough, but did he really lose to Pacquiao. Styles make fights, if one is able to pull his style better than the other he should win the rounds, I see people base this on the aggression part, which is bias and unfair to great defensive fighters as well as counter punchers. Sure Pacquiao is champ, but El Dinamita was fighting like the REAL CHAMPION, by asserting his style and giving the challenger (Pacquiao, role reversal) fits.



  117. BOGS Says:

    pacman really won he fight



  118. Nicole Says:

    He won the fight on Judge’s scorecards But Marquez was the one who better used his style.



  119. Gary Boy Says:

    Judges decision is final. Manny won. Better luck next time losers. Shame also to Nathanielz and Tolentino. Just because Manny did not KO Marquez you already shifted allegiance. Common guys, Marquez did not also do something significant to steal the crown from Manny.



  120. Nicole Says:

    Marquez was not the loser, Boxing is with not at least giving a draw or win FOR MARQUEZ.
    Marquez did do something significant, He made Manny look sluggish and this ranks as Manny’s worst performance in Las Vegas.
    Even if you say at Manny’s worst, JMM couldn’t get the decision, JMM IS THE PEOPLE’S CHAMP with this fight by defying the expectations of morons who thought it would be a lopsided win for Pacquiao.
    Besides Judges from Nevada mostly give the Decision to the betting Favorite. Look up Morales – Pacquiao 1.



  121. mavz Says:

    no doubt manny won the fight.. he won at round 1-3 marquez took round 4-8 thats why roach is saying manny is falling behind.. manny won in successive rounds 9-12. so its clear it was 115- 113. round 1 is uneventful. but i give point on manny..



  122. Joe Bruiser Says:

    I honestly think that this fight felt like another draw.

    It was the kind of fight where neither guy seemed to set themselves apart.

    Marquez definitely landed the better punches of the two, and mostly nullified Pacquiao’s ability to land anything of significance, but he allowed still allowed Pacquiao to get off more, and land more punches even though they weren’t landing as flush.

    I counted four rounds that were very difficult to score, that were essentially even rounds, and I had each guy clearly winning four rounds a piece.



  123. jbravo Says:

    marquez beat pacquiao with his style as always.. but not enough. boxing is scored by counting connected punches per round. the more punches you connect you win the round. but marquez just had cleaner shots that could have took away his opponent but didn’t, while pacquiao connected more punches that were also power shots. that was fair fight for me.



  124. ronnel boston Says:

    ronnelboston

    Stop the emotional comments and analyze the fight and its result based on facts. Everyone was expecting a blowout and a beatdown Hatton-style so anything short of that will be a big disappointment. This was what happened. Pacquiao was a victim of his own success that’s why everyone, including Manny himself, was disappointed. This did not mean that Marquez won because he did not.

    Anyone who’s saying Marquez CLEARLY won the fight or that he was ROBBED of a victory is either delusional or being emotional that Manny did not beat him down badly.

    Neither man was able to hurt the other significantly. Most rounds were very tight and could have gone either way SO those who are saying it’s a clear win for Marquez OR the Marquez dominated the fight are just PLAIN STUPID. Marquez dominated the fight? Come on people, he did not even hurt Manny.

    Facts are facts. Here are the proofs that Manny won the fight.

    1. NUMBER OF PUNCHES LANDED: Manny threw more and landed more punches. Since no one landed a big shot enough to hurt the other, this became an amateur-kind-of-fight where it needed to be scored on the number of punches connected.

    2. AGGRESSION: Manny was the aggressor all night. Look at the fight again. Manny was chasing Marquez all night as Marquez was backpedalling throughout the fight. If Manny did not attack there would have been no fight.

    3. RING GENERALSHIP: Manny controlled the tempo. The fight was dictated by Manny. He was moving and using his footwork while Marquez was waiting. Those who are saying that marquez gave Manny a boxing clinic are just plain dumb. What clinic? Manny dictated the fight. He made it exciting when he wanted to. He pressed the actions all night. He countered Marquez when he needed to. Marquez was so hesitant to even come forward.

    4. CHAMPION vs CHALLENGER: The challenger needs to take the belt. It should not be handed out. Marquez did not do enough to take the belt. If this alone was the basis of scoring a tight round, it should have been 10:2 rounds in favor of Pacquiao.

    5. CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS: Marquez did not do jack in the later rounds. Both did not land anything of significant in the championship rounds but at least Manny was pressing the action and was trying to have something happen. What did Marquez do ? – NOTHING. If Manny did what Marquez did in those rounds, they would have done dancing with the stars.

    6. THE FACE: Look at their faces and tell me that “Marquez dominated the fight”. Bullcrap! Marquez had far worse damage in his face.

    7. HBO CREW and the CROWD: They were on the ball. Ledderman had it for Manny by 4 points. This is not to say they were 100% accurate. This simply means that Marquez did not dominate the fight and was not robbed of a victory. The crowd who were booing were mostly Mexicans. What do you expect? This was the closest a Mexican came close to winning in a long time against Manny.

    I have more to say but again the reason why we were disappointed was because we are used to seeing Manny dominate big guys. Manny was a victim of his own success – plain and simple and all of us, human beings, fell into that tra

    I challenge all of the SUBERSIVES of the world to bring in the facts for an educated debate.



  125. Nicole Says:

    Gary Boy
    One person commented that this is the 1st time Nathanielsz and Tolentino gave the fight to Pacquiao’s opponent, Even in Manny’s loss to Morales, they gave Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt and Pac- Marquez 1 and 2 they still sided with Pacman. They had legitimate reasons to favor Marquez in this Fight, watch the fight and Round 7 Roach said they were falling behind. That would mean Roach knows they lost at least 4 of the 1st seven, including the close rounds.



  126. Marvin G Says:

    RonnelBoston

    I’ll try to refute the obvious bashing of Pacfans. if your talking about punch stats, then Marquez should have won the second fight look at these punch stats http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-marquez-i-ii-reviewed–45965.

    Next , now there are people saying that an unspoken rule of boxing is the challenger has to be more aggressive or impressive when fighting the champion. I can dispute that. If it were true, then NO defensive fighter could have won a title against offensive champions, Besides, wasn’t Pacquiao the challenger in their second match with Marquez, sure Pacquiao knocked him down, but surely Marquez was no less aggressive or impressive as Pacquiao was in that fight.

    So counter punching does not convince you of a win, Tell that to Willie Pep, Wilfredo Benitez, Pernell Whitaker, and (dare i type it) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Now, Quinito henson, already stated that if the fight goes the distance whether Pacquiao was in trouble or not, Pacquiao was going to get the decision because he has the ECONOMIC POWER, so being marketability automatically gives you a free pass? That’s not right.

    I know you will refute with the first fight that Pac should have won the 1st fight, but think about it, you knock down a person 3TIMES, it’s like rocky 4,”Marquez is not human, He is like a piece of IRON” Give props to Marquez on that one.

    Amir Khan, stablemate of Pacquiao, and Sky Sports had Marquez WINNING the bout 115 – 113. I watched the live fight via sky sports and compared it with the replay with the HBO guys, and Sky Sports Analysts were SPOT ON with the calls of every punch. Pacquiao was throwing rabbit punches and Marquez was Landing the punches with more impact.. They even commented that the decision was fixed. The HBO guys keep on saying Pacquiao has to do this, Pacquiao is doing that, clearly shutting out Marquez.

    Pacquiao admitted in the 4th round he had leg cramps, the 2nd consecutive time. Coincidence? Or are all the wars from legitimate middleweight strength punches finally catching up to him. It goes to show Pacquiao LACKS fundamental boxing skills.

    If there is a fight that shows Pacquiao’s decline it’s this one. I mean it, watch 24/ 7 and you will know that Pacquiao’s training camp was very good, better than Cotto, or Margarito.

    If you want to decide a fight’s win by Face, then Clottey should have won against Pacquiao.

    After the decision, There weren’t a lot Filipino fans cheering for Pacman’s



  127. ronnel boston Says:

    for Marvin

    No one landed a big shot or a telling blow. Is that hard to understand? Look at the statistics. It’s the most important thing in this fight because (again) no one landed a big punch. Why are people ignoring the statistics this time around?

    In the first 2 fights, the haters were bringing up numbers that Marquez connected more even though Manny landed big shots after big shots that put JMM on his *** four times. Now, when it is more important than ever to bring in the punch stats, haters are bringing up effective punches. No one landed a punch effective enough to hurt the other guy. Manny just landed more shots.

    Stating this as a robbery or that Marquez dominated Manny is blasphemy to the sport. Barrera deserved to win his fight with Marquez . Barrera deserved to win his first fight with Morales and Morales may have won the second fight with MAB. I would not call those decisions robbery.

    The fight was too close to call and the fighter who landed more punches deservedly won. Anyone who’s saying that JMM was robbed or he dominated the fight is just sour grapes or plain dumb or both. It’s an oxymoron to say someone dominated a close fight. Anyone who says that is just simply ….



  128. Joe Bruiser Says:

    Ronnel Boston,

    I disagree with several of your points.

    1. This is not amateur boxing and rounds are not scored on punches landed. Effective aggression, quality of shots, ring generalship and defense definitely come into play.

    2. Marquez was not backpeddling. He stood his ground most of the night and was very effective at countering Pacquiao.

    3. I actually think that Marquez had Pacquiao fighting his fight most of the night. That’s why Pacquiao’s punch output dropped so much from what it’s been in his last few fights.

    5. Neither guy really got much done in the last few rounds.

    7. I thought the HBO commentary was out to lunch and that Lederman was a little generous to Pacquiao. Lampley credited several hard shots that were landed by Marquez to Pacquiao, which also swayed his view of some of the rounds. It’s important to realize however that he is watching the fight from one side of the ring and doesn’t always have as clean of a view of the action as the viewers at home.

    Not saying that I think Pacquiao lost, as I thought it could have gone either way, but let’s keep things real.



  129. anoni-moose Says:

    If I were the judge, I will give the win to Manny Pacquiao. Why? Simple! My life is on the line. Big time bets are placed for Pacquiao, if I gave the correct outcome, those wealthy and influential people might get back at me. It’s better for me to be booed by fans than to be shot, accidentally hit by a car, be poisoned or be blown upped in a bomb. Do remember that Pacquiao is a politician. He has investors and protectors. Manny Pacquiao is the ULTIMATE PUPPET of every filthy rich Mafia (Asian, European, or American) organization. The judges were wise on their decision.



  130. Nicole Says:

    RonnelBoston
    I beg to differ, Marquez landed significant shots, look at the uppercut -straight combo that frustrated Pacquiao throughout the fight.
    As for Ring generalship , Pacquiao was fighting Marquez’s fight, he played the aggressor falling to the counter puncher.
    I did not hear a lot of Filipino’s chanting Manny’s name in celebration during the whole fight,even with the astounding number of Mexican fans, The Filipinos have made their cheers known in previous fights, but not this one they only cheered mildly after the decision, but the crowd looked like they weren’t convinced.

    Buboy Fernandez was scolding Pacman every round saying don’t fall to his fight.

    I watched the fight on HBO and I have to say, they were really biased, especially Lederman, I heard clearer shots from Marquez than Pacquiao’s punches.



  131. hugh Says:

    Special Hit

    Yo boy Manny don’t want no part of Floyd bruh bruh. Face it he has problems with counter punchers. FLoyd is the best in the game and his skill level is twice as better than Marquez.



  132. Nicole Says:

    anoni-moose
    Marvin G already said that the judges were controlled by NSAC, which has influence on the betting right, so in a way, A Pacquiao victory would be fiscally rewarding than giving it to Marquez because even if Marquez gets the judge’s decision, he is not a viable name, right?



  133. hugh Says:

    JBOYD

    Shut yo ass up. You don’t know shit about boxing. If you honestly think Manny stands a chance against Mayweather (best counter-puncher) after his performance against Marquez (counter puncher) you smoking meth. If the shoe was on the other foot and Pacquiao dominated MArquez like Floyd did and Mayweather would have struggled with Marquez in 3 fights like Manny has then yall would be talking so much shit right now. Just proves you Pacquiao fans are haters and dont know shit about boxing. Styles make fights and Manny cant handle a counter puncher. Easy win for Floyd! It will be another Floyd vs. Marquez showing. FLoyd shuts Pacman out or loses 1 maybe 2 rounds at most. Thats it.



  134. marlon nacitvem Says:

    no more argument please. PACMAN WON, period….



  135. ronnel boston Says:

    bobo.. the difference between the 1st-2nd fight and the 3rd fight is th K.D.,, yes Marquez landed more in the 1st 2 bouts, but the K.D. will be scored more stupid,



  136. Sonny Crockett Says:

    At first glance, it did seem as though Marquez won the fight but in the end, it wasn’t enough. I mean if u asked someone who was the one pushing the action last night all or most will say Pac. And I’m sure this is just one factor the judges base their 10 point must system on. On top of that Pac out punched and out landed Marquez in every dept but I will honestly say this, it seems as though Marquez landed the more significant blows. Too close to call.



  137. Anonymous Says:

    All i have to say its that mayweather should not fight manny after last night, manny looked bad, and to me it would just be a step down for mayweathers career, good money payday but he would just walk all over pacman, marquez was just waiting and landing at will, pacman was outclassed, HBO and the crew! What a sell-out, all the replays they show is of manny, and worse not even landing hard punches just a lil hook and moving away, marquez did it no matter wat, mayweather fight cotto or margarito but not manny not interesting after last night



  138. Anonymous Says:

    pacquiao vs marquez III fight was a good fight to watch. I scored it a draw with 114 -114, or a win by pacquiao 115-113..It was a very close fight and there were 2 rounds that could have decided the fight; in those two rounds there were no clear winner of the round so that’s why i say that it could have been a draw since I counted 5 rounds for marquez that he clearly won. you can split the 2 close rounds for both fighters given there are no clear winner of both rounds, or you could give both rounds for pacquiao for being the aggressor of the match but since the fight is over, we can not do anything about it and just hope for a 4th fight to settle this once again..
    and also I am sorry for those who bet on pacquiao winning via KO.. those who think he will overpower marquez because in the 2 previous fights they say manny pacquiao is just starting to improved his power in the right hand.. well marquez did not even think of the right hand, it did not appear that it was gonna be a problem for him..



  139. gakiis47 Says:

    I think volume punching did it for PACMAN. Although the crisper clearer punches were scored by Marquez, PACMAN was more aggressive and connected more (Compubox Stats). It was evident that PACMAN was not at his best this time around, and Marquez was superb in the middle rounds (5 to 8) but still did not do enough in the later rounds to wrest the title. The first 4 rounds were a toss up since there was not much action, so either fighter could have been won those.



  140. jack Says:

    how can he beat maywaether if he cant even beat marquez ? .. pacquiao should be glad he hasnt fought mayweather.



  141. weekeeps Says:

    the problem is that manny has now become a victim of his own success. his so-called die-hard-to-please fans would only be satisfied by a KO or a TKO win. anything less would be insufficient.

    i suggest watch the fight again on mute settings. manny threw and connected more punches than JMM. the fight was entertaining and fun to watch.

    at the end of the day, i would rather have Pacquiao-Marquez IV or a Pacquiao-FMJ than a Pacquiao-Bradley, Pacquiao-Khan, Pacquiao-Jones, Pacquiao-Alvarez, etc.



  142. france Says:

    putang ina mo geekweather !fuck all weather fans ! pacquiao won the fight !
    geekweather fucking fans not allowed here



  143. skeptrons Says:

    did you see marquez moving forward on pacquiao ?
    step down !he is afraid
    such a losser
    cant accept a deffeat



  144. markey Says:

    If they settled for a fourth fight and Juan Manuel Marquez let say, won…Marquez’s fans would say..”told ya, Marquez won all of those three fights”.



  145. arjun_spark Says:

    pac vs marquez compare floyd vs maquez, pac vs hatton compare floyd to hatton, pac vs delahoya compare floyd vs delahoya, pac vs mosley compare floyd vs mosley..which is more convincing? do the math.



  146. stpper` Says:

    all of you …………. low IQ
    this is just a stratigy so that pacquiao vs mayweather fight happens !
    just wait !



  147. yragpinoy Says:

    so now a pacquiao mayweather fight will be even? that will be good for boxing. take the bait mayweather!



  148. nuetral Says:

    this is a classic match just as expected

    both played at a very high level

    boxing should be played like this
    boxing shouldn’t be a one sided match

    yes majority are disappointed coz they are expecting manny is gonna dominate the game like the previous years.

    congratulations to both fighters



  149. yragpinoy Says:

    fans who bet on marquez to win thought they won the jackpot because of the betting odds. that is why they are upset and booing, it is all about the money folks. next time bet on the PACMAN!



  150. Delfz Says:

    When I saw the live telecast (pay per view)of Pacquiao vs Marquez, I know Marquez wins the fight. But, when I watch the delayed telecast on channel 7, clearly Pacman wins the fight. Why? very simple, Pacquiao always initiated the fight and he is the champion. Marquez is the challanger, If he wants the crown, he should get it by force. Marquez always wait for Pacquiao first move. So, Pacquiao wins the fight.



  151. OneTonMan Says:

    I think Manny’s thoughts were preoccupied with “Who’s watching my Ferrarri right now?”



  152. Anonymous Says:

    @yragpinoy

    Both of your comments are just childish.

    @Ace Freeman

    This website is too biased to Manny Pacquiao.



  153. Anonymous Says:

    @ Delfz

    Your argument is weak.



  154. Anonymous Says:

    pac won the fight because of ARUM.. Boxing is business. the judges gave it to pacquiao because he the bigger draw in las vegas.



  155. hehehe Says:

    floyd and marquez are different kind of counter punchers..



  156. Abe Boogie Says:

    This fight was a DRAW!!



  157. Anonymous Says:

    (MARQUEZ “WE DID IT, WON” “I DONT KNOW WHAT I SHOULD DO TO WIN”) MARQUEZ you fuccking idiot! I bet on you! but u did not come harder, if you wanna win the fight knock him down! your always backpedaling waiting to counter… Thats why you lost! give back my money!!!



  158. realist Says:

    All of you sound retarded talking about Pacquiao won now that you’ve had 24 hours to get your storylines together lol this is the dumbest article I’ve ever read Manny clearly lost last night and everyone from amir khan an andre berto to marvin hagler thought so right afterwards..



  159. Anonymous Says:

    everyone is entitled to their opinion but the outcome is the same Manny clearly won the fight they just expect something that doesn’t happened that’s why..

    Marquez landed good punches but Pacquiao landed more most of the round :)



  160. special hit Says:

    Anonymous Says:

    For mayweather fans. UNDEFEATED MEANS NOTHING IF YOU’RE A BITCH WHO ALWAYS COMPLAIN AND GIVES EXCUSES! :)

    Wooohh! Your good…..that was a stiff jab.



  161. Anonymous Says:

    @hehehe

    The difference is that Floyd is much better.



  162. A A Says:

    Ace, fantastic article.



  163. Neutral Says:

    Marquez was not robbed, Manny deserved the win
    he did his best and played clean.
    go watch the replays on HD, and see that dirty
    tactic of Marquez trying to step on Manny’s foot so
    he can’t get away from the punches.
    count how many times he did it and tell us if its accidental.

    God gave Manny the win, because he gave an honorable
    fight, did not even complain on the tricks being done to him, just did his best and prayed for guidance.

    So please don’t say that Manny did not deserve the win.

    Lets just all say, whichever way the decision went, they deserve it with Marquez or Pacquiao they deserved it.



  164. Nicole Says:

    Manny fought Marquez’s fight, Manny was hitting but not hurting Marquez, Watch Marquez’s fights with Casamayor, Katsisidis, Juan Diaz, and Mayweather, His face gets swolen easily, meaning Marquez getting a more swollen face than Pacqquiao does not guarantee Pacquiao really damaged him. Marquez executed a perfect game plan until the 10th round, then gave the last 2 to manny.



  165. Nicole Says:

    Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray leonard Had Marquez winning

    http://twitter.com/#!/SUGARRAYLEONARD

    http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarvelous0ne



  166. jindevil Says:

    what if the fight did not go with the judges?what would the pip say???what if jmm ko mp?what the pip say???if mp ko jmm???guyz tell me why???



  167. Nicole Says:

    In case you don’t believe these 2 LEGENDS, here ids a link on what other FIGHTERS thought of the fight.

    http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=208225

    I would rather believe these people than schucks that have not EVER fought a professional bout



  168. Nicole Says:

    Jinndevil

    Stop talking about the what if’s, Think about what has happened and in this case it’s a robbery.



  169. jindevil Says:

    @nicole

    tell me?



  170. Nicole Says:

    It was a robbery, read the thoughts of the boxing greats about the fight it’s in the links



  171. Tipipa Says:

    Marquez have now defeated Pacquiao thrice. whats the point of fighting Pacquiao for the 4th time? Fighting Mayweather again would be a better option. I’m sure Mexicans would support to have this fight done.Marquez can beat Mayweather this time with a good conditioning coach like Heredia.
    Viva Mexico!!!!



  172. Nicole Says:

    Tipipa
    Mayweather is The Faster version of Marquez, with a better head movment and adaptability. Add that Floyd has a unique way of frustrating his opponents



  173. Nicole Says:

    I would like the 4th fight to happen , if not in Mexico, in NEW YORK CITY, THE MECCA OF BOXING. Las Vegas assigns the ref and judges, not the WBO, so Las Vegas is more inclined to the betting favorite.



  174. nenet Says:

    hello everyone try to see this.

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=202419903166398&set=a.170332799708442.42243.170296496378739&type=1&theater

    In a 10-point system, the boxer­ who wins a round is given 10 points, and the other ­boxer gets nine points. (10 -9)
    If there was a ­ knockdown in the round (10-8)
    2 knock downs (10-7)
    If a­ judge can’t decide who won the round, it is­ scored 10-10.
    Now if you are the challenger, you must be­ the aggressor (Pacquiao vs Cotto) in very close­ rounds the­ Champion gets the 10. For example if­ Pacquiao would just stay still and Marquez does not­ attack, Pacquiao gets the 10 and Marquez 9. In this­ case Manny (champion) was always aggressive while­ Marquez (challenger) waits for an attack and­ counters.
    Marquez’s body language fooled a lot of­ people. Making people feel that he was the winner or­ at least it was a draw. It may look like he was­ landing more punches but the tricky part here is he­ was on the defensive, luring Pacquiao into his ­tactical traps (remember the challenger must be the one­ who is aggressive to be awarded 10 ). So even if ­Marquez did connect more punches, he gets only 9 for ­ being defensive and Manny gets the 10 for being the ­attacker.
    Pacquiao got more “10″s than ­Marquez. Manny wins.
    Why Manny won? “Manny knows…”



  175. omega Says:

    enough of this pac-jmm III, looks like it can’t be settled… a majority draw to me though, watched it again… in my oppinion best judges call is: 114-114 2x and 115-113 on either…

    summary:
    for pacman: “disappointing performance”;
    for dinamita: “great fight”…
    but no way a robbery…

    with this subpar, lackluster performance from pacman against an opponent dominated by mayweather…

    pacman-mayweather should be a done deal…

    seems an easy fight for floyd but still the odds are riveting and volatile… good for both pacfans and floydfans… best for vegas!



  176. Anonymous Says:

    @Nicole Pacquiao and Floyd Jr should be done, I guess Freddy will adjust more the sooner the fight the better for Floyd coz Pacquiao evolve time to time…

    I say Pacquiao vs Floyd in 2012..

    I know Floyd will be the favorite this time because of what had happened. but I am betting on Pacquiao as usual :) I like Pacquiao as the underdog it means more money for me.

    There will always be one kryptonite and the others are just fake, Pacquiao got Marquez as Kryptonite.

    Mayweather I don’t know, but for sure it will be the PACMAN regardless of the PACQUIAO vs Marquez…

    Floyd sign the contract now, you have seen the poor performance of Pacquiao…

    But to be honest Pacquiao box with Marquez, Pacquiao just need to throw a lot more punches while boxing and BOOOM he can perfect it…



  177. yragpinoy Says:

    Anonymous,
    who is being childish with such comment, and who is biased with this website? it’s you!



  178. Nicole Says:

    Mayweather has underrated power, he has 62% knockout wins and Pacquiao has 64%, nit much difference there, Floyd took the Best shots of Mosley and Outclassed Him, Pacquiao Ran through Mosley and Mosley was unable to adjust. Floyd may be an arrogant prick, but he is a MASTER BOXER. Compare him as A faster, slicker and smarter version of Marquez.
    Pacquiao Marquez 4 has to happen because this is the first boxing trilogy between prime fighters that did not have a clear closure, Las Vegas already has a lot of politics from the choice of judges, which were not assigned by the WBO but by NSAC, to the way they score rounds.



  179. HD Says:

    I watched the fight again, JMM was not robbed. This fight should have been a draw. IF you think either man won you are biased. As for Floyd vs pacman, Floyd jr will out point pacman all night long.



  180. leemalone Says:

    PACMAN HAS BEEN EXPOSED LOL



  181. gakiis47 Says:

    MichaelDSellers article

    Dear Juan Manuel Marquez,

    First, congratulations on an excellent performance against Manny Pacquiao on November 12. You demonstrated that more than any other fighter, you have figured out the Pacquiao puzzle. You deserve great credit for that. [Desplácese hacia abajo de la letra en español]

    In your post fight interview you said you were robbed, and that you might retire. That’s understandable in the heat of the moment right after the fight, but after you’ve had a chance to reflect on it, I hope you will elect to continue. It is clear you have the skills and physical ability, and Bernard Hopkins has certainly taught us that 38 is not as old as we thought it was. Your performance against Manny reinforces that.

    If you elect to continue fighting, and in particular if you elect to challenge Manny Pacquiao to a fourth fight, I would respectfully suggest that you need to be aware of some realities about judges scoring. Had you been more fully concious and accepting of them this time, you might have won the fight by pushing yourself harder in the later rounds when the fight still hung in the balance. True, by pushing yourself you would be exposing yourself to more risk — even to a possible knockout, but that is always the way of it when you are the challenger attempting to take the belt away from the champion.

    The judges in Nevada are charged to look for a) clean, effective punching, b) effective aggression, c) ring generalship, and d) defense. A study of how US (and most other) judges score over the last 10 years shows that in a close fight, the judges almost always favor the fighter who presses the action and is perceived as the aggressor in the fight. Being the aggressor almost always generates a higher punch output, and even if the punches aren’t completely clean, the judges reward the attacking style which, even if it doesn’t result in clean punches, does expose the aggressor to greater risk than his opponent–something that the judges evidently feel should be rewarded. Your reliance on counterpunching, while it may produce cleaner landed shots, will always put you at a disadvantage with judges in a close fight if you rely heavily on the counterpunching style and do not act as the aggressor.

    To state the equation very clearly: The very act of launching an attack against a composed, skillful opponent whose guard is up is a risky manuever which exposes the attacker. By taking that risk and launching that attack, the attacker gains favor in the eyes of the judges, and even if his punches don’t land as cleanly as your counterpunches, he gets credit for a) forcing the action and being the aggressor, b) taking the risk associated with attacking a skilled, waiting opponent.

    In your first two fights with Manny Pacquiao, while you were oriented toward counterpunching, you also launched offensive attacks and in both of those fights you had a higher volume of punches that Pacquiao; a higher landed punch total; and a higher number of solid, compelling punches. But in those fights — he knocked you down four times. There is no doubt that if you had not been knocked down, you would have won both those fights because all of the other statistics were in your favor.

    But this is not true of your most recent fight. In that fight Pacquiao had a higher volume of attacks; higher volume of punches; higher number of landed punches; higher number of landed powershots. Your counters were effective and in some cases dramatic — but by its very nature, your counterpunch oriented approach will impress the fans (and your trainer, evidently), but unless you create knockdowns it will not impress the judges — at least it won’ t impress them enough to offset the advantages that Pacquiao is gaining from his constantly being the aggressor; constantly exposing himself to risk by launching attacks against a waiting opponent; and in doing so generating an overall impression that he’s moving forward while you’re moving backwards; he’s getting off more punches (hence taking more risk); he’s landing more punches even if they’re not as clean (after all he’s punching a waiting opponent, not an exposed one).

    Also, if I may offer one other piece of advice. In each of these fights, your Hall of Fame trainer Mr. Berestain has repeatedly told you in the corner between rounds that you are winning the fight. By now, given your highly intelligent nature, you must realize that no matter what Mr. Berestain says, you must keep fighting as if you are not ahead. You are the challenger; the underdog; and you are using a counterpunching style that puts you at a disadvantage with judges. You must never assume you are ahead. In the fight on November 12, if you had gone into the “championship rounds” with the attitude that you must win these rounds, the outcome of the fight might have been different.



  182. gakiis47 Says:

    Maybe, just maybe if the scoring used was the Olympic style scoring, then Marquez would have been declared the winner. Floyd could suggest that if ever he fights Pacman!

    Apart from Olympic style drug testing, why not use the Olympic style scoring system too !lol



  183. special hit Says:

    @ gakiis47,

    You just took alot of space fool, get with the program nobody is going to seat here all day just to read your freak’n book. Practice texting would you?
    Just get to the point and move on!



  184. gakiis47 Says:

    @special hit

    Know your English fool, it’s “sit” not “seat”. Practice your spelling first before asking someone to practice testing. I bet you can’t read as well.

    And yeah Pacman wasn’t at his best this time but a win is still a win. It is written in the record books It is you who has a hard time moving on. I say get your girl Mayweather to fight Pacman. I’m sure after seeing this fight he has regrown his teeny weeny b@lls back.



  185. hehehe Says:

    pacman did enough just to win this fight, honestly he was neutralized by marquez style, his timing even seemed off, his punches were not as crisp and pacquiao wouldnt even do many combos..

    but he did land lots of those straight lefts and right hooks, some of those right hooks seemed off thou, not popping marquez head back.



  186. hehehe Says:

    vasquez marquez also didnt have closure right? 2-2 lol.



  187. suckerpunch Says:

    Pacquiao is an old and washed up fighter, there is no need for 4th fight with Marquez or a fight with Mayweather. Marquez vs Bradley for May 2012.



  188. Anonymous Says:

    This video proves that Marquez cheated yet still loss

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z5jkzyRT7s&feature



  189. gakiis47 Says:

    @ Anonymous

    I just saw the “foot stopper trick” video. I have a firm belief it was intentionally done. That may be one of the game plans of Marquez to negate the balance and power of Pacman. It did not happen only once but numerous times hence it is not accidental. I remember Joshua Clottey had mastered this trick too, knowing the refs will not be looking fighters’ feet at all during a fight. No wonder Pacman felt he was cramping and could not move during the fight, where in fact his lead foot could have just been pinned down by Marquez especially during exchanges.



  190. gakiis47 Says:

    Now I understand why Pacman’s timing was off! Marquez was stepping on his foot intentionally. No way this was accidental at all. I thought he was just countering beautifully, but a little “step-on-the-foot” trick was needed to get it done. Shame on Marquez.

    @Ace Freeman, is “foot stepping” an old trick in the sport of boxing?



  191. ai3live Says:

    i realy agree that Marquez is cheater. i review it my self. and i print screen all his foot stepping to pacmans foot…
    here some photos…
    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.315205825173126.97294.100000511321200&type=3



  192. Nicole Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCaTySM3CZE&feature=feedlik

    Don’t think Marquez was the only one doing the STEPPING



  193. suplado Says:

    MY ROUND BY ROUND ACCOUNT & UNOFFICIAL SCORECARD FOR THE PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III FIGHT

    tentative 1st round for both guys, close round to score, but i gotta give it to manny, who landed and thrown more punches especially the jab, lead left and some straight left hands. marquez threw a few countershots to the body and that’s about it, round 1 for pacquiao 10-9….

    pacquiao still moves forward in round 2 hitting his jabs, but surprisingly, marquez stood his ground and land effective counters to the body and head, sneaking a few left uppercuts in there as well. sometimes even stepping forward to throw some 1-2-3 combos of his own, marquez wins 2nd round….

    round 3, tough round to score, manny started strong in the opening minute landing jabs, 1-2′s, then marquez turned the table and countered effectively again, moving to pacquiao’s right hand side to stay away from the left hand after every counter shot. both guys throw hooks to the body then pacquiao finishes with a flurry. gotta give it to manny just for those last second shots. pacman takes round 3….

    so far, i got the same scorecard as harold lederman after round 3….

    wow, change of view in the 1st minute of the 4th round. marquez moves forward and even traps manny momentarily in the corner and throws combos, while pacquiao counters with 1-2 combo to get out, accidental and minor clash of heads 2 minutes in the round, marquez lunges with his left hook, manny steps back a bit, manny moves forward, lands a couple of jabs and straight to the body, pacquiao lands combos again ending with a looping left hand that barely catches marquez, marquez cruising in this round a bit, finally marquez right-left hook combo to the body, pacquiao keeps moving forward, lands the lead left, marquez counters with a left to the body, they both throw combos and missed, marquez lands a left-right on manny to finish the round. tough round to score. i’m leaning on manny cause marquez cruised quite a bit in this round, pacman round 4….

    marquez breathing heavy in his corner after round 4….

    5th round started slow, until 30 seconds in, marquez throws right and left combos to the body but some where blocked by pacquiao, wow! left uppercut by marquez snaps pacquiao’s head back 1:55 of the round, manny resets after that, marquez throws combos and nothing lands significantly, manny showing better defense than in the previous fights with marquez, manny comes back with a double jab and left straight but misses, enough to keep marquez at bay though, marquez tries to counter with a left upper cut-overhand right combo and lands the upper cut but misses the right, manny keeps the jab pumping, marquez land another left uppercut-overhand right combo, pacquiao steps back, inside the final minute of the round, manny tries to press marquez to no avail, marquez moves well away to the side then counters with a left hook just to keep manny off balanced, 1-2 shot by marquez lands flush on manny 0:43 in the round, manny tries to fight back but misses with his combo, marquez lands another combo to close the round strong, clearly marquez owned the 5th round….

    marquez found his range with the left uppercut consistently landing on pacquiao…
    so far pacquiao leads marquez 3 rounds to 2….

    tentative start for round 6, nothing much happening inside 1 minute, both guys try to re-establish the jab, marquez leads with the left uppercut again but this time was blocked by manny, lands a straight right for marquez, pretty slow round, calm before the storm i suppose, left-right hook to the body lands for marquez, pacquiao moves in, got caught with a right counter shot from marquez – 1:16, marquez throws the left uppercut and misses, pacquiao countered with the vaunted 1-2 combo and lands, pacquiao showing some counterpunching of his own, right hook-left straight lands for pacquiao, marquez turns away to the left handside of manny, final 1 minute both guys reset in the middle of the ring, a couple of lead rights for marquez, pacquiao rushes in and misses, marquez countered with a left hook inside, throws a bit off balanced, marquez shoots another left-right hook combo to the body to end the round. tight round to score, but gotta give it to marquez landing the more accurate shots. round 6 belongs to marquez….

    halfway through the fight, i got it even, 3 rounds a piece….

    what’s missing in manny’s arsenal is the uppercut, i have yet to see him throw even one after 6 rounds, he needs to throw that shot to keep marquez from leading with his own left uppercut and hook to the body, cause marquez has a tendency to lean to his left before throwing that shot and leaves himself open to be countered as well….

    both men trade jabs to begin the 7th round, marquez lands a looping right hand 2:18, manny covers up amidst marquez combo, pacquiao still moving forward, manny misses with the double jab-left straight combo, tries again and misses, marquez showing enough footwork to stay away from manny, pacquiao lands the jab and lead left, halfway through the round marquez lands a left uppercut to the body, manny keeps moving forward though and straight into a marquez left hook, pacquiao very wary of marquez counters and bites to marquez feints, manny rushes in and eats another counter shot 1 minute left in the round, manny lands the lead left, marquez steps back and stays away from the ropes, marquez digs to the body with his left hand 0:39, 1-2-3 combo lands for marquez, lead right lands for marquez, right hook lands for manny, lead left lands for manny countered by marquez jab, 1-2 for manny misses, both guys trade combos to end the round and marquez getting the better of the exchange with his right uppercut. close round again, but again, marquez lands the crisper shots, marquez round 7….

    manny showing head and body movement to begin the 8th, crowd chanting mexico, they trade shots on the inside, marquez digs to the body with the left, pacquiao misses with the lead left, marquez thorws the right and blocked by pacquiao, pacquiao bleeding from the mouth with a cut possibly caused by some of marquez uppercuts while marquez slowly has a swollen right eye possibly from manny’s lead lefts, manny’s left hand lands to the body, pacquiao showing more activity in this round, marquez grabs on 1:35, left uppercut and right hand lands for marquez as manny moves in, pacquiao can’t seem to mount a consistent rally of punches, right hook lands for manny, marquez misses with his double jab, manny showing better defense and footwork in this round, 1 minute left marquez left hook blocked by manny, manny lands the lead left then side steps to his right caught marquez by surprise 0:47, manny presses forward, they trade combos on the inside, left hook by marquez to the body countered by pacquiao’s right hook land almost simultaneously, manny finishes the round with a 1-2, i’ll give manny round 8….

    pacquiao’s cut in the mouth being attended to in his corner to begin round 9….

    and round 9 begins, both men sizing each other up, amidst the chants of mexico from the mgm grand crowd, marquez misses with the left hook-right hand shots, pac lands his overhand left, pac moves in and marquez sides step and got countered with a left to the back of the head 2:20, marquez rushed in and misses, pac lands the lead left again, marquez left-right hook combo got blocked again, pacquiao showing his much improved defense, but then marquez lands a left hook to the body followed by a left uppercut and right straight, beautifully setup shots by marquez backs pacquiao up, marquez moving in and got countered by a pacquiao left, right hook lands for manny, finally an uppercut by manny but misses, right hook again by manny, manny contented to landing one shots at a time, misses again with the left uppercut by manny, marquez lands some combo on the inside, pacquiao back with his lead left, again manny misses with the left uppercut, i guess that’s why he rarely throws them uppercuts, right-left hook by manny glances on marquez, they trade again on the inside, tough round so far, 1 minute again and they exchange leather in close, manny lands more but marquez counters with the right 0:46 stymies pacquiao’s assault, marquez comes back with his own flurry, pacquiao counters with his own, exciting final minute of the round let’s see who edges up front, and they hold for a brief recess, marquez throws 5-6 shots to the head and body of pacquiao, manny comes back with 4 shots of his own, marquez 1-2 slightly parried by pacquiao, marquez left uppercut lands again, manny counters with the right overhand, manny finishes strong with his 1-2 combos, whew! best round so far and even tougher to score, very tough rough indeed, could have gone either way, i’ll just go with pacquiao with the better activity and the strong finish to the round, pacquiao edges marquez in round 9…..

    marquez reminded by his corner to not go in the ropes in between rounds 9 and 10, they seem concerned about marquez fighting manny’s style of fight…..

    marquez begins round 10 with his by now patented left uppercut right hand combo but was partially blocked by pacquiao, manny rushes in and misses, nothing much so far inside 1 minute, both guys missing shots on the inside, fatigue could be setting on them, they trade right hook for pacquiao and right straight for marquez 1:49, pacquiao rushes in and missed again forcing marquez down on his knees, an they trade shots inside both men landing, shootout on the inside again, pacquiao seems to complain about something 1:28, marquez leading in, pacquiao keeps him off with the jab, final minute of the round, manny throws the lead left, marquez shoots to the body with 1-2 hooks, pacquiao rushes again this time found his mark, marquez left hook blocked by manny, and they trade punches with manny getting the better of it, manny finishes strong again to end the round, manny wins round 10 with better activity….

    pacquiao is cut on the right eyebrow after round 10 from a possible headbutt….
    bad cut for manny as it runs across the brow and not alongside it….
    slowmo replay clearly shows it was caused by a butt….

    and we are on to round 11, marquez tees off with the jab that was blocked by manny, slow opening minute so far, manny throws a left to the body, marquez counters with a right to the head, marquez misses with the looping right, pacquiao counters with the left hand and catches marquez, marquuez backs off a bit, right hook- left uppercut combo lands for manny, 1-2 again for manny, manny coming on strong in round 11, another uppercut for manny, halfway through the round manny showing more activity while marquez seems to be cruising and picking his spots, jim lampley just said that nacho told marquez that they are winning the fight, bad advice from a veteran cornerman with still 2 rounds to go and a lot of close rounds to score 1:28, marquez finally shows sign of offense landing a right and a left, but manny counters with his own left-right combo, both men pacing themselves in the final minute of the round probably saving up for the slambang 12th and final round that might determine the outcome of this fight, manny rushes in with a 1-2, marquez misses with his counters, pacquiao lands another 1-2 combo, jab lands for manny, lead left by manny, final 10 seconds and marquez hits manny with the straight right, and the bell rings, other than that right hand at the end of the round for marquez, clearly pacquiao outworked him in that round, pacquiao takes round 11…..

    where almost at the final round, but before that, i gotta take a leak, whew! what a fight, tough to score and watch for every detail as best as i can…..

    and where at the finish line, round 12, crowd singing ole, ole, roach wanted manny to knock marquez out as stated by max kellerman, and round 12 begins, crowd on their feet, manny’s right eye look’s shut, so does marquez, manny leads with the right hook over the top of marquez left hand, marquez feints the left hand, double jab and straight left barely lands for manny, marquez misses with his counter right as well, crowd chanting mexico again inside the 1st minute, they exchange punches, both landing and missing at the same time, lead left for manny and lead right for marquez both cancelling each other out, both guys seem to know what the other is thinking in there, marquez takes the initiative and throws 5 shots combo that landed on pacquiao’s guard 1:40, where almost halfway through the round, manny moves in, marquez tries to hold, lead left by manny lands on marquez, marquez uppercut blocked by pacquiao’s guard, quite a slow 12th round compared to what’s a stake, a minute left to go, still nothing definitive, both guys feinting the rush and baiting the other to move in, let’s see who blinks first cave in, marquez took the initiative but wildly misses, manny showing better defense late in the match, pacquiao just dropped his mouthguard, ref tony weeks calls for time 0:41, crowd boos lustily, that was a quick break from the fight, and we’re on again, manny comes in pounding his gloves, perhaps asking marquez to go toe-to-toe, marquez obliges with a jab and overhand right which were caught by pacquiao’s guard, marquez throws 1-2-3 combo and was blocked again, again pacquiao showing good defense, pacquiao lands a right hook to the body, last 10 seconds, manny lands his 1-2 punch, marquez ducks underneath him, manny got his back on the ropes, circles away and focuses on marquez again, marquez tries to land a late flurry but to no avail, the bell rings, end of the fight. what a painfully tough fight to score. again close round, marquez started early but then both men cruised along in the middle of the round, but then pacquiao finished strong, so what to do? hmmmm, i’ll just give that round to pacquiao for better activity and showing a surprisingly better defense, round 12 goes to manny….

    what an excruciating tough fight to watch and score, i’m glad i’m just a fight fan able to watch such classic fights. so just based on what i’ve saw, i ended up scoring the fight 8 rounds to four, 116-112 in favor of pacquiao. much respect for marquez. pacquiao was pacquiao while marquez was marquez and even more. their tailor-made style mesh well together and brought the best out of each other. even if they fight each other 10 more times, we’ll still end up with controversial decisions each and everytime with the winner only determined by which style you prefer to win. pacquiao may have won this time on the scorecards, but it doesn’t mean that his the better man. in this specific case for both guys, neither of them is the better man. i would like to think that they are equal and they are both great fighters. so it doesn’t matter who really wins between them. what matters most is that we are treated to 36 rounds of fantastic boxing and we should all stop the bitching and whining on who beats who and just be grateful that we are fortunate enough to witness great men giving us great fights no matter who they face in that ring. respect to both fighters and to all who love and enjoy boxing…..

    ROUNDS PACQUIAO MARQUEZ

    1 10 9
    2 9 10
    3 10 9
    4 10 9
    5 9 10
    6 9 10
    7 9 10
    8 10 9
    9 10 9
    10 10 9
    11 10 9
    12 10 9

    TOTAL 116 112



  194. Nicole Says:

    Suplado
    that is your perspective, meanwhile here are come comments by people you may or may not have heard of.

    http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=208225



  195. JJJ Says:

    Let’s move on Marquez fans. You can cry all you want it won’t change the results. You can make the case for Marquez all day but it won’t change the scorecards. Pacman landed more, stole rounds with late flurries. Manny won! Accept it!



  196. Nicole Says:

    JJJ
    Yeah, let’s move on Pacquiao got the Decision, Marquez WON the FIght.



  197. suplado Says:

    bottomline is this, marquez may have landed the more aesthetically looking punches, but manny out-thrown him, outlanded him, outworked him, outhustled him with his aggression in every round, so i had manny winning. but if marquez was able to outland manny despite manny’s aggression, i would have no problem scoring the close rounds and the fight in favor of marquez cause that will show that marquez outboxed pacquiao during the fight, but clealy that isn’t the case here as supported by the compubox numbers….



  198. Boolalow Says:

    The reason there were chaos inside the ring with people throwing beer cans was the mexican fans of JMM were expecting a ten fold return of their bet on Marquez and it did not materialized hence the frustration and mob mentality ensued.



  199. hanzoh74 Says:

    no need for a rematch…..what do u want manny to do?? rematch again and again until hes defeated??



  200. hehehe Says:

    whats the point of a rematch, maybe a rematch after he fights mayweather… this is the perfect moment for that fight to happen cuz mayweather might be willing to fight him now.

    if pacquiao goes with the rematch again, if he beats marquez badly, mayweather wont fight him, if its another controversial decision we are back to square 1, just fight mayweather first damn it!



  201. hehehe Says:

    so can anyone give an opinion on those foot stepping fest i just saw on that youtube video above?, I mean manny was off balance all night no wonder why..

    i remember roach saying something about foot positioning in pacquiao marquez face off, that whoever gets the best foot position first gets the punch, seems marquez was the one getting it but im wonderin if it was intentional or accidental?



  202. kilroy Says:

    Suplado – good job of writing. I agree on your comments. Manny at certain times was being the counterpuncher. He was actually baiting JMM to throw a punch and was trying to get JMM out of his game plan. JMM just didn’t press at the later rounds. Manny maintained his activity of pressing. Manny actually improved in his defense.



  203. hehehe Says:

    well for sure we saw a less bruised face from pacquiao this time, only a cut in the lip and a cut near the eye due to accidental butt, compare it to their last 2 fights and pacman was hurt before more than now.

    marquez face in the 3 fights was always bruised.



  204. suplado Says:

    @kilroy, thanks for the compliment. at first, i actually thought marquez won by at least 2 rounds. but then the howling of robbery from marquez fans and even from some pacquiao fans made me watch the fight again. but this time, i tried to actually score the fight round by round. and i did that by watching closely for punches and how both fighters react to each other wether on defense or offense, by pressing “pause/play” after i see any significant punch or missed shot. and thus i was able to at least try and write down i see per round. except maybe in the first three rounds cause i was still a bit lazy then, so i wasn’t able to write down in details unlike the other rounds. it was then that i was able to appreciate manny’s improved defense and boxing skills. even though it look liked marquez was landing the visually enticing punches, manny was able to outwork him in most of the rounds except the 5th where marquez dominated him and maybe the 2nd round. overall, manny’s aggression carried him through the close rounds which were tough to score. if marquez was able to overcome manny’s aggression and actually outland him in those close rounds, it would be easy to give marquez those rounds and thus the fight. but that’s not the case, so i gave those rounds to pacquiao. the fight was so damn close that in reality, it’s just a matter of preference for those watching who won the fight. if you prefer marquez crisp counterpunching style, then clearly marquez should’ve won. and i won’t have problem with that. but if you prefer manny’s aggression and overall work rate, then manny won. it’s that simple. just learn to respect everyone’s preference cause either way, no matter who wins between, th real winner are us, the fans, who were treated to 36 rounds of great action from 2 great warriors. respect to marquez fans, and respect to pacfans….



  205. suplado Says:

    @kilroy, thanks for the compliment. at first, i actually thought marquez won by at least 2 rounds. but then the howling of robbery from marquez fans and even from some pacquiao fans made me watch the fight again. but this time, i tried to actually score the fight round by round. and i did that by watching closely for punches and how both fighters react to each other wether on defense or offense, by pressing “pause/play” after i see any significant punch or missed/blocked shot. and thus i was able to at least try and write down what i see per round. except maybe in the first three rounds cause i was still a bit lazy then, so i wasn’t able to write down in details unlike the other rounds. it was then that i was able to appreciate manny’s improved defense and boxing skills. even though it look liked marquez was landing the visually enticing punches, manny was able to outwork him in most of the rounds except the 5th where marquez dominated him and maybe the 2nd round. overall, manny’s aggression carried him through the close rounds which were tough to score. if marquez was able to overcome manny’s aggression and actually outland him in those close rounds, it would be easy to give marquez those rounds and thus the fight. but that’s not the case. so i gave those rounds to pacquiao. the fight was so damn close that in reality, it’s just a matter of preference for those watching who won the fight. if you prefer marquez crisp counterpunching style, then clearly marquez should’ve won. and i won’t have a problem with that. but if you prefer manny’s aggression and overall work rate, then manny won. it’s that simple. just learn to respect everyone’s preference cause either way, no matter who wins between them, the real winner are us, the fans. who were treated to 36 rounds of great action from 2 great warriors. i appreciate both men’s style of fighting so respect goes out to both marquez fans and pac fans. i just love to see a good fight no matter who wins and that’s all there is to it….



  206. Anonymous Says:

    Marquez face speaks why he lost..He was hit several times.



  207. Anonymous Says:

    marquez and pamcan should not be blame on this controversy, both of them doesn’t want this to happen , thing its both of them did not cheat and fought well i think its really on the judges call base on what and how they see the fight. at the end the loser here are the viewer’s who spent money to watch the fight



  208. Editha Says:

    This fight reminds me of the Al Gore vs Bush election when Gore got the majority vote but Bush got the more electoral votes and won the President Election.



  209. hermes Says:

    in boxing if not on KO, it will go to the scorecards/judges and like basketball, those who have more points will win. it doesn’t matter if you dunk like lebron or have a lay up like steve nash who did it like playing in the park. it is very clear that manny has more shots than jmm so let us do the math. defense in not a point its on how many times you hit or like basketball, how many shots you have. it is clear in the stats/compu box on who has the more punches so more points. the judges sit closer than many of us and they are more expert on this so they know more on who really wins. it was a majority decision so it is clear who the winner is.



  210. marlon nacitavem Says:

    Please read this article from one of the bloggers at Philboxing forum, the same thougth as Mr. Ace Freeman, a very nice article too. Here it is…

    Pacman is a puzzle and everyone is guessing…………….

    Props to Marquez for standing his ground against Pacquiao. He did great but it was not enough to win against Pacquiao. On the hindsight, it was thought by many that Pacquiao would annihilate Marquez because of Pacquiao’s recent awesome performances against bigger men. The man is a victim of his own doing. His fans expect too much from him nowadays. He is not viewed anymore as one who simply wins by points. He is expected to devastate his opponents. He is a “monster” in the eyes of many. Now if a “monster” attacked, fans expect to see bloods and guts from its supposed “victim”. However, When the “victim” made it a fight and not a one-sided slaughter even if the “monster” was eating him slowly, people rejoiced and applauded the supposed “victim” just for making the supposedly slaughterfest into a fight.

    Pac-monster was a victim of his recent fight reputation. Fans should know
    that even monsters have off-nights, but not necessarily defeated. Some fans tend to be overly emotional and a lot of haters tend to be “over-acting”. People, wake-up! Pacquiao did not lose the fight and there are videos and judges score-cards to prove it. The reason there are judges, is because you can’t simply take people’s opinion to decide the matter. It has to be settled with finality. You can say all you want that Marquez won, but the fact of the matter is HE DID NOT. I can still imagine you guys riding a roller coaster ride. Oh dear!! :lol:

    I like the analogy of this fight to the exact meaning of “Insanity”. It is indeed insanity to let them fight again and again and expect a different result. Their fight will always be the same. Pacquiao attacks and Marquez counters. OK let’s play what if. What if Pacquiao stopped attacking and Marquez simply stood his ground and wait? Who will win? It will be a stand-off. The fans lose and Pacquiao retains the crown. Why?, because the challenger must literally grab the crown from the champion and not the other way around. What if Marquez attacked and Pacquiao stood his ground? Marquez is gonna get KO and he knows it. That’s why Marquez simply waits for Pacquiao, back up a little bit, wait some more and counter when Pacquiao becomes aggresive. Marquez will never bring it to Pacquiao. He will never initiate a brawl against Pacquiao. Not in a million years. So, I don’t expect a 4th fight because, there’s no way that Marquez will attack. That’s insanity.

    Style makes fight, and Marquez and Pacquiao are perfect for each other’s
    style. Is Marquez a better fighter than Pacquiao? I don’t think so. He’s got
    Pacquiao’s number but not better than Pac in many ways and you people know it. If he is better than Pac, then he can duplicate what Pac did. Do you think he can do that? I don’t think so. Can Mayweather duplicate what Pac did? Nah, He’s a different animal. Can Marquez and Mayweather excite people the way Pac did in recent memories? Nope. Pac did it all and still does more. As a boxing fan, let’s just enjoy his remaining fights. It will not last for so long. He’s slipping away gradually folks and you know it, too.



  211. hermes Says:

    marquez should be grateful to manny for this fight. funny is that he demanded a 10M purse and the fight should be in mexico, who the hell is he now? lol

    manny should not fight him (for what?). even if they will fight 100 times, the result will be the same, he will lose in a controversial manner and the fans will be the real loser.

    the best fight out there is for manny and mayweather to prove who the real number 1 p4p is. forget jmm, he will always be a crying baby and make him proud. if nto for manny, he will not get this biggest purse in his entire career and he must be thankful instead of demanding and setting the rules.



  212. look4urself Says:

    look at marquez face and compare it to pacman and decide 4 urself who got beat the fuck up



  213. drin Says:

    the thought of the author was exactly my thought as well when I watch the fight again. but during the live telecast i saw differently, and felt dissappointed because Iam so accustomed to see Manny destroying every opponent and dominating them with his explosiveness in the ring. the Pacquiao last Saturday is not the same Pacquiao that is why felt differently and with majority of the audience are Mexicans and with every clean punch that Marquez throws they are shouting. it like you are warchting basketball and Marquez dunks it and people are shouting but Manny scoring normal shots and ahead on points. Manny’s punches are not as clean as Marquez but Manny’s connecting and he really throws more than what Marquez throws…. it’s better watch it twice to really see what transpire in the ring & i believe that the judges are incorruptible especially the Nevada judges.



  214. RAM Says:

    THERE’S A TERM WE SAY IN THE PHILIPPINES – KONTRAPELO.

    NOBODY WILL LOOK GOOD FIGHTING ONE’S KONTRAPELO!

    MARQUEZ IS PACQUIAO’S KONTRAPELO.



  215. Don Says:

    We lost, it us who lost in Pacquiao-Marquez III. We dissapointed ourselves by setting to much expectation in a fight that we don’t have control. It was them who were fighting. Pacquiao had an off night. Everyone of us can have a bad night. Why we can’t forgive him. It was a close fight to call. He lost against our expectation but he won the fight according to the official judges who are more qualified to judge than us. Let us forgive ourselves for setting high expectation. Let us also set Pacman free from the claws of our disappointment. He fought a good fight, he did retreat in that fight. He gave and tried to give us what we want to see, a brawl from round 1 to round 12.



  216. Don Says:

    We lost, it us who lost in Pacquiao-Marquez III. We dissapointed ourselves by setting to much expectation in a fight that we don’t have control. It was them who were fighting. Pacquiao had an off night. Everyone of us can have a bad night. Why we can’t forgive him. It was a close fight to call. He lost against our expectation but he won the fight according to the official judges who are more qualified to judge than us. Let us forgive ourselves for setting high expectation. Let us also set Pacman free from the claws of our disappointment. He fought a good fight, he did not retreat in that fight. He gave and tried to give us what we want to see, a brawl from round 1 to round 12.



  217. STIVLA Says:

    During the fight, I really thought marquez won to the point i shouted that it was robbery when the winner was announced but after watching the replay, it changes everything and i definitely agree with your views. Manny was the agressor throughout the fight and he landed the most punches. Although, marquez landed the cleaner shots but not enough to win the fight. Pacquiao won most of the rounds and thinks he should have won by a unanimous decision. I REALLY ADVICE EVERYONE TO WATCH THE REPLAY.



  218. Marvin Gay Says:

    Pacquiao won: 38 -17 compubox
    8 rds to 4; rounds awarded to Pacquiao
    116 – 112, 115 – 113, 114-114
    rounds 10-11-12 ; Marquez run
    rounds 1 to 9; Marquez waited

    Glenn Townbridge – Genius judge

    Marvin G and Marquez cry babies
    Nacho Beristain; liar and hallucinating



  219. Joe Bruiser Says:

    My main concern with letting the compubox totals tell the story and giving credibility to Pacquiao’s win is that it seems contradictory with what was the consensus in the Hopkins vs. Calzaghe fight, another close fight that many insist Hopkins won.

    Calzaghe landed 105 more total punches, 71 more power punches, threw 240 more punches, had a 7% advantage in connect percentage, and outlanded Hopkins in every round of the fight.

    That said, a large contingent of FightFans insist that Hopkins’ counter punches and ring generalship won him the fight by a point or two.

    Were they wrong?

    How are the circumstances different that this fight, other than the punch stats being much closer?

    Food for thought.



  220. isagani vino Says:

    The problem is that marquez does not prove anything, he was the challenger and the pacman is the one eager to fight how was that, he must knock the pacman in order to get that big W, remember the pacquiao vs barrera 1, the pacman knows if he doesn’t knock barrera out he will surely lost the fight what he did he force barrera to quit judges cannot do anything in that scenario and the rest is history, and one thing marquez must learn to fight without to much back pedaling and foot stopper tricks lets be fare and I believe justice prevail in favor of the pacman, lol peace. my advice in order you to get my respect fight cotto, clottey, margarito, mosley show pacman that you’re the better guy..



  221. Jonas Gayot Says:

    When I watched Pacquiao-Marquez III, I tried to score it every end of the round and I have Pacquiao winning 115-113. It was really close, but I was shocked to read the reactions of boxing fans, boxers and sports writers the morning after, they claim that it was a robbery by the judges for Pacquiao. I believe so that this reaction comes from the lack of understanding of the 10 point must system. Most people who watched boxing usually do not judge them round for round. They judge the fights as one whole fight, I mean they try to judged the said fight AFTER the whole 12 rounds.
    Many say Marquez wins by landing the more crisper and clearer shots. But I say, even though Marquez would land 50 clearer shots against Pacquaio’s 7, Pacquaio would still win due to the 10 point system. This is an exageration but I need it to emphasize my point. Let’s say that marquez took the first 5 rounds, scoring with an average of 10 clear shots per round against O for Pacquiao, so that is 50. And we say that Pacquiao took over the last 7 rounds scoring an average of 1 clear shot per round to Marquez’s 0, so that’s 7. So clearly it is 7-5 rounds win for Pacquaio or 115-113 win for Manny.
    I understand the reaction of the common boxing fan, but the boxers, and many writers who cried against the decision, I think are like politicians, they bowed to public pressure, and tried to write their articles as not to lose many of their fans or readers.



  222. kilroy Says:

    It really does seem that JMM was really competitive and looked slightly ahead. However, JMM style of countering and taking control of the last 3 rounds really cost him.
    As Manny being the favorite and everyone has high expectations of him, the underdog JMM was getting better in the exchange at the middle rounds which is 4,5,6,and 7. It may look the momentum has sifted for the uderdog and ahead. The 8th and after rounds Manny was pressing as if trying to get even or trying to be ahead. JMM was giving him a run for his money and the fans knew it was getting to be a close win for JMM because he was still in the fight and hitting Manny with counters. So it really looked like JMM was ahead slightly on the 10th or 11th round.
    Folks, this is how alot of fans felt. Manny was doing defense when JMM throws and backs off Manny the aggressor.The judges sees this and they see what connects on both fighters. I give credit on Manny’s defense but yes I agree he got his head snapping back but he was really connecting too and JMM didn’t really get Manny in trouble or hurt and Manny was connecting more and chasing JMM at the late rounds where it matters the most, so Manny wins and give him credit for that.



  223. ron Says:

    I finally got a chance to see this fight and it really put me to sleep. Both fighters were good but I have to look at how they Measure up the MAN,Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather makes them both look amateurish and Floyd had the incite to show the diffence between himself and Pacquiao by dominating a world class fighter in Marquez.Who gave Pacquiao all he could handle. Yeah, the spin master Arum had fools believe Pacquiao is better at this game than his nemesis Mayweather but he really does know that Floyd would destroy his hyped cash cow. If the true fan has any doubt about a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight outcome , then this fight should bring them to their rational senses. But then again that would be a difficult proposition for the non rational Pacquiao fan whom Arum knows how to manipulate. Arum is a master at deception and the Pacquiao fan is the easy MARK.I would not spin a dime to watch these two fight again.Only for free because I like the sport.



  224. Ace Freeman Says:

    Even after all this time I am still dismayed by the amount of people who insist Marquez was robbed.

    I have no problem with anyone who scored the fight for Marquez by a slim margin, but the outrage and suggestions he was jobbed are really outlandish.

    There were two rounds in the first half of the fight that were just about dead even. Nothing of note really happened. Those could have been scored foe either guy depending on what you like in scoring.

    Marquez pretty much threw away 11 and 12 when his trainer told him he had it in the bag.

    If you score the aforementioned 4 rounds for Pacquiao, you only need to give him 3 more of the remaining 8 for him to win the fight.

    It was that close.

    I have no problem with people saying one of them one the fight over the other because it was close…

    But in no way was it a robbery.

    The notion that Manny Pacquiao has yet to beat Juan Manuel Marquez convincingly is not without merit, but lost somewhere in that headline is the fact that Marquez has never done anything to conclusively beat Pacquiao either. With the outrage, you’d think he dominated a couple of the fights with the way some people talk about it and that just isn’t the case.



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